He's a cute one, I'll give him that.

I hope you mean the kind of head shrinking which involves a large LART. It's the kind I recommend for people who don't respect IC/OOC separation.

And yes, Athana is one of the most likeable people in the game. Don't worry about it.

I keep trying, but she resists! Definitely wasn't your fault though, Athana. You're one of the nicest person I know in the game.

If they were doing that, they were just a moron and not an arsehole.

Don't mind retards like that, they evidently have no clue how to seperate OOC/IC. (Or, if we follow Elryn's line of thinking, are just complete idiots.)

Don't know Athana.

Do know there are plenty of people who're just sore losers and/or cruel, and that there are people who're going to find excuses to hate you no matter what you do. There's just no way to please everybody, and if you try, you'll end up pleasing nobody.

Ever notice, though, how the friends we make and sincerely like IC don't suddenly stop being our friends in an OOC conversation? Make a friend IC, and we're all happy to take credit for it as players. But make an enemy IC, and suddenly it's, "Oh, no, that's just my character! That's not me! That's not what I'm really like! Cool down, don't take it personally."

Most of the times I hear someone complain about others being unable to seperate IC/OOC emotions, it's because they themselves behave in a routinely hurtful way IC, and want to somehow think that wearing a mask alleviates them of responsibility for those choices they make.

There are no distinct sets of "IC" and "OOC" emotions. We each of us have only one heart to feel with and one mind to think with.

Does "Athana" step on peoples' emotions? If so, then you the player step on peoples' emotions. No amount of IC/OOC distinction changes that. If, for example, you've chosen to play a short-tempered and cruel Magnogoran, no amount of saying, "Well a Magnagoran's supposed to be short-tempered and cruel," changes the fact that you've chosen to play one.

But if "Athana" is a good person, then by all means, blame it on the other player.

So what you're saying is that a character is cruel and evil that means that the player must be cruel and evil too?

No, he's saying that the player has chosen to play their character like that, and deserves any IC hatred.

Since Athana's a nice person OOC and IC and the person in question was unable to differentiate between IC and OOC, however, I think it's a pretty moot point.

Actually, within limits, yes I am.

What happens IC does not translate directly to OOC reality. Playing an axe-murder IC doesn't mean you're a psychopath OOC.

Nevertheless, the emotional harm you inflict on people is 100% real. Therefore, when you "pretend" to be a jerk, you are a jerk. You can't just slap an "IC" label on your behaviour and suddenly make everything all right.

Even professional actors with prepared scripts fall victim to the feelings they wear for the camera. How many short-lived Hollywood couples have been forged in the heat of "feigned" attraction between romantic leads? When you fake emotion well, you can't help but feel it, and the longer you fake it, the more real it becomes.

How much worse on a MUD, where we're all making it up as we go along, and there's no script for us to use as a reality check? ("Hmmmm... Oh, there it is. That was the scene where we pledged eternal devotion. Next we'll be shooting the one where I catch her in bed with my arch-nemesis, Milk Man. I hope she's free for lunch after.")

Well that answers it then. Athana IC and OOC is very nice. She doesn't go out of her way to be a jerk to people, and if anyone has had a Mag alt or is a Mag they will know she is one of the nicest people in Mag. So said "PERSON" needs to step back, look deep down inside themselves and say "Why am I such an ."

Case in point Athana and I were on astral, we come into a room with Forren... We watch him make his kill and keep on bashing. If she was such a hateful player she coulda easily brought him down.

OOC-I love the girl... she is great!

IC- Of course Ildaudid loves his mom!

I don't know you well enough OOC to form an OOC opinion of you. I've only ever seen you IC, and you're usually either raiding Celestia or Water, which irks me IC. However, I don't harbor any OOC resentment to you as a player as a result of this. Sure, Rauros the character hates your guts and wants to see you drown in a pool of hugs and snuggles and tree hugging sex orgies, but Rauros the player doesn't. Whoever this "Person" is needs to take a step back from the game if they're letting themselves get too emotional OOC.

I wouldn't worry too much about this whole mess, Athana.

What about people like me with
A: A realitively "good" character
and
B: A downright evil character?

Secondly, yes the emotional harm IS real, but the emotional harm should be minimal. Example: Murphu tells shaeden to off, makes fun of him, and kills him repeatedly. Shaeden would get down right depressed, and, IRL, I've been rather sad because of it. However, as soon as I log off Shaeden, I'm back to my ADD happy self, so really, was there any emotional harm inflicted on me? Probably. But is it worth noting? Nope. Lusternia emotions last until I hate those keys "QQ ENTER" then, they -all- disapear.

Heh, don't worry about it Athana. IC, Raikogen knows you mostly from when you raid territories of New Celest. I don't really talk to you IC or OOC but I distinctly remember one wargames in the avenger and you seemed like an extremely likeable person. Of course, ever since after that I've been killed by you or your demense ... but no hard feelings here!

Yea...

While I don't know the circumstances surrounding it, that is generally uncalled for and unnecessary.

And dying sucks, sorry you died... so much effort lost

Now come on, the murph would never be rude or mean to anyone

Yeah...things like that are quite disturbing. I hate it when people can't separate IC from OOC emotions, and thus cause problems for everyone else.

I was just spit on as well, by a fellow Celestian. I think he was just bitter that I had beat him soundly in a couple spars, but still, this was someone whom I had counted as a friend in the past. Heck, I even did a few not so trivial favors for him.

I wonder if it was the same 'person', Athana.

Oh, and going along with the general snuggle-fest that now is this thread, you're not a hated individual. Nico shows a great deal of respect for his enemies, tainted or no, unless they prove themselves an absolute . And among those enemies, from what I've seen/heard you're one of those that I figure I'd get along well with, OOC'ly and IC'ly, ya know, if we weren't trying to kill each other.

In IC you do, that's why Turgeis snubbed ya for ruining his hunting trip in Astral especially since those corpses are for offerings to gain karma, fortunately he was able to regain karma from the Supplicants quest.

So yeah, you never hurt anyone OOC:

And as for Athana, sorry about what happened, hope that 'Person' realize his/her mistake, I made that same mistake too with Reiha and snubbed me for being a jerk (abusing snubs, OOC and IC problems), guess I sometimes get 'TOO' attached to this game, forgetting about the real world and all. Luckily my dad and mom was here to bring me back to my senses and banning me the use of the computer for a week, so yeah, I think that's what 'Person' only needs, a break.

If that person doesn't change then by all means leave him, you just can't win them all.

You sent me a tell/letter/message or something saying when you were done with me, I'd have to drink apple juice through a damned straw! And... killing someone IS rather rude, as is invading their holy lands.

... Good times!

I find it doesn't go away right away, I usually have to sleep on it first. Example, someone Everiine considered a friend essentially "spit in his face", told him he was worthless and, if I'm not mistaken, may have snubbed him. For the rest of the night, I and Everiine were in a pretty bad mood. Everiine wouldn't talk to anyone, but I found that I was just a little annoyed. Went to bed that night, woke up, felt great (but tired, stayed up to late ). This person tried to talk to Everiine again, and I said hello back and whatnot, and only then did it occur to me that Everiine should be hating this person. I as a player didn't feel anything of the sort though, so yeah, the "emotional damage" shouldn't affect anyone outside of a few days at most.

It is a little different though when it keeps getting bashed into your head that people hate you. I can see how that would take longer to get off of, because it is so constant.

Fortunately, the "love" in the game works the same way. For you married folks out there, being with that person in game probably makes you feel great. But hopefully, people aren't believing they are in love with the players as well. That's a very dangerous line to cross, just like the hate one. Since it is ONLY A GAME, people should be able to at least contain their emotions when they feel them.