Ewww... the line has indeed been crossed.

No matter how you cut it, there are a host of "you only have to"'s involved to creating a centaur race, and such a list grows the more you think about it. Sorry, but it's not just tossing in a few exceptions and, voila!, all RP considerations are ameliorated. Nothing is ever simple!

When we were considering centaurs before Lusternia's release, Roark suggested the bottom line question: Do the resources and time needed to develop centaurs as a race justify the cost in consideration for how many players will actually become centaurs?

Again, the same question can be asked now. We would have to divert resources and time to develop centaurs, conceivably more than anyone suspects, to appeal to a very small portion of the player base. (I guaranty if we took time off to develop centaurs as a player race, there will be some very upset people out there.)

As Spock would say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. (And, really, it's not like Lusternia is suffering from lack of selection of races!)

Still think you should make it an option for vernal gods if Charune is still around at the time

Although I am curious how long that list really is. If you think of "what can we get away with" instead of "what needs to be accounted for", how many things do we really need to fix? (question directed to other players not admin)


My list is:

Make centaurs perma-mounted and as if they are thier own mount
Don't allow centaurs to mount pets.
Possiblity of centaurs not being allowed in trees(although that would hinder centaur druids a bit, but I think this would be a by-product of saying they are always mounted)

Everything else mentioned I think you can explain away if you needed to. :shrug:

p.s My standard of "what can we get away with" is: Currently in Lusternia there are many "bizzare" things that happen or can't happen that players have lived with and nobody bats an eyelash at (or if they do, people look at them funny) Such as, nibbling on a backpack's ear, or a 8ft igasho jabbing a duckbilled platypus, or a small green frog. Or a single room that is "A large vast open space" being the same as a room that is "a stockroom"

Just wondering: why doesn't the same type of thinking apply to the Trill? I mean, they have wings...so should they be able to use the Celestial/Nihilistic wing abilities? What about their clothing? Great Robes (I imagine) would be quite awkward to fly with. In combat, why can't a warrior hit the wings of the Trill?

Granted there aren't as many infractions as with the Centaur, but they ARE still there.

Well, Faelings have the same issue with armour and robes. I suppose that all armour comes with wing-slots as well as being magically readjustable (the same armour that fits an enormous taedae also fits a wee little faeling!) and so on.

1) Wing abilities, I know nothing about, can't help you there.
2) For clothing and armour, I personally don't wear a shirt eliminating that problem. But for my armour, since I had it forged for me, it's easy enough to say that the armour was made to fit around the wings.
3) I imagine the wings of a Trill are hit, but not in such a dramatic way since only an idiot fights with his wings outstretched. Also, when a Trill takes certain wounds and damage, we can't fly, so in theory somewhere along the way you can assume our wings were damaged.

The message in this circumstance is something along the lines of: Tzekelkan calls to the Supernals for angelic wings, and his own are enveloped in gold as they become holy.

Except better.

But you get the idea. Their own wings are sanctified, they don't get two pairs.

Wings are a very minor physical difference compared to permanently standing on half a horse.

WHA!?

Less problems when it comes to wings, its easier to hit a leg than a wing.

Is that an agreement, realization or disagreement..?

In Xanth they are called Alitaurs.

Read the first 5 or so posts again.

Daganev, please stop beating the dead horse (hmm, even this idiom fits to the thread). Estarra explicitly said why we WON'T have centaurs as a player race. EVER.

As for your examples: an 8 foot igasho certainly can hit something much smaller than him. He can either lean over towards it, or in case of the frogs - they are in the trees, not on the ground. Probably at around his waist level or so. As for nibbling a backpack - it's an idiotic lack of RP, I hate when people do that and always AT LEAST frown on them. I should make Aerenna more brutal so she'd treat them Murphy-style.

If I remember right, there actually are a few places that had to be coded around the krokani's shortage of eyes, and how many krokani characters are there?

There is a huge difference between 1 or 2 eyes, and having centaur character, the krokani are still star shaped, centaurs are not.


This makes me wonder if Draconis would still call Charune a Star god.

They made one change to Krokani, eyepeck doesn't work on them.

Again.. What other changes need to be done for a Centaur?

You say its so different, but everything can be explained the same way.

Whatever allows a faeling to wear the same thing as an Igasho, allows a centaur to wear the same thing also.

A centaur can cover its rear, I've seen it done plenty times in movies. They get a very flexible side to side back turn.

A centaur can swim, horses have done it.

4 legged goats climb steep cliffs, a well adapted Centaur can do the same.

I'm not quite sure what allows other people to burrow, so I don't see why a centuar couldn't do it.

What where the other things that had to be handled for a centaurs?

2 legs vs 4 legs in combat has allready been shown why there is no difference.

emotes don't need to be changed save for a few special racial emotes, because they arn't changed for anybody else. Technically, Trill and faelings have 6 limbs, most aslarans and dracarni have 5 limbs. A centaurs extra two limbs allows it to act as a mounted person all the time, a faeling and trills extra limbs allow it act as capable of flying all the time.


I understand the game not adding Centaurs, we don't need them, and they would likely be too strong. But I'm curious what the other things are that people can think of that would be a problem.

p.s. If you think about it, what is a newbie doing kicking a frog in a tree, and why does it take more than one stomp to kill it? and why do I need to smash my flails on it 4 times? These are all things we accept as players of a game because otherwise the game would just be ridiculous.

Dude, tails aren't limbs

No centaurs, bad whoever started this thread!