Amused by the childishness of the party present or genuinely amused by the content of the situation? I'm amused too at the lack of respect these people are showing, but I certainly don't find any part of the log funny.

Maybe this is their standard of rp after all...lame...

We play a game in which it is common knowledge that the Divine are fallable. The IC histories given to the playerbase provoke these thoughts, whether the Divine want it or not. These histories portray the gods dying, losing to Soulless, and as everything BUT infallable. If you do not want IC disrespect towards opposing Divine from players, then you need to make it so that NO player has ANY IC reason to see a single flaw in any Divine. This is a conflict based world. People ICly will disrespect whoever opposes their ideals. That's how the admin, especially you, Estarra, made this game. If you intended it to be different, then you need to make changes and inform everyone of it. Otherwise, don't be surprised if players backtalk Divine. I do not see the need to get angry over players for doing what they should and defending their ideals against any who oppose them.

As or the IC/OOC suff, here's no easy way to skirt OOC motivations from affecting IC things, since YOU the PLAYER control the character, not the character you. A player can make his character do whatever he pleases, and to be truthful, no mater WHAT that player does, he can ALWAYS think of SOME IC justifiation to make that action "roleplay savvy" so I don't really see how people can say "well, that's not what your character would do!" YOU do not dictate what someone's character can or cannot do, the PLAYER does. End of story.

Well, a bit of both I suppose... so I'll explain.

Amused that such a big deal is being made out of this on both sides.
Amused by the childishness of the shouts in the first place.

But I'll also admit, that Mederrach's comment drew a smile.

In the heat of the moment, in a 'shout first think later', 'oh no, I just shouted that at a god', kind of way it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Of course the log shows that wasn't quite the case (which is a bit dissapointing) but doesn't necessarily make it any less valid.

The problem with all this though is that disrespect to Gods becoming a common occurrence...
and that is not so amusing...

So I say, bring down a plague of locusts upon Mederrach and lets all get on with our lives.





Couldn't resist this...
That has to be the textbook definition of BAD role-playing.

Yeh, but he didn't. IC, Hajamin attacked me, i parried and reposted and nailed him. another time he appeared at the megalith we fought a little, ended in him getting 2 bashbrains in a row. OOC i know he could zap or whatever else, but IC its well deserving of murphy to have a god complex.

In this case you're not denying the IC reprecussions of such mortal acts against a Divine, right? Even if a God could lose to a Soulless God it doesn't mean someone's character, a mere mortal, couldn't be severed eternally from Lusternia and that alone should be enough to make someone watch their words.

Apparently Zap isn't enough. I'm all for temp shrubbing based on IC time or more maggoting.

How is that the textbook definition of bad roleplaying? Ellaborate, as I don't really see how that snippet epitomizes bad roleplaying- is it not the player that controls the character, in the end?

Also..

WHO CHANGED THE LOCATION AND POSITION OF MY THREAD?!?!

I posted the bastard in the funnies with a lighthearted title, and someone went and made it into a debate where 3 admins have posted up, 2 of which roasting some of the players.

If you want your own thread, bloody well go make it yourself, this oroginally was posted in the funniest. (unless estarra herself did it in which i take it all back)


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It was used because it was relevent to the matter at hand, and removed this debate from being on Quotes. The thread, as has been made apparent from Admin posts, is obviously not a lighthearted matter, and it made little sense to make another thread on the same topic.

ICly, the gods can zap, yes. They have every right to, but I'm saying that OOCly, they shouldn't get flustered about getting a bit of witty smack talk, which I have seen a few Divine do. Alternately, ICly, the characters, because of the histories and the conflict based theme, are within their rights to smack talk Gods who they hate, at their own risk.

Also, I -believe- that IRE regards shrubbing as an OOC admin punishment. I'm not too entirely sure, as I may have forgotten about a few cases, but if I'm wrong, let me know.

Genuinely interested?

I'm talking about role-playing here, as opposed to just refraining from mentioning anything out of game.
Or controlling a game character that you can take into semi-automated combat with other players.

You know... pretending that you character is a real person.
(Do you still see no problem with Revan's statement?)

Can of harden up time!

You miss the point nejii, i'm not crying or sooking, i'm angry. That is hardened up,

What does being fallible and having flaws have to do with divine commanding respect? That old lion may be mangy and have a broken tooth, but thump it enough times on the nose and you'll discover what those retracted claws can do. Anyway, I am surprised that players backtalk Divine. Indeed, because Divine are fallible and flawed, it makes more sense that mortals should walk on eggshells around them as they react more dangerously. Nothing needs changing or announcing, that's how the design was from the get-go. But maybe we need some IR reminders....

My point is, the Divine can command respect, they are in every position to... however I do not think they should be very expectant of it from those of strongly opposing ideals (ie. Terentia and Magnagora). Yes, some people may choose to bow in respect merely because they are Divine, but some characters can also choose to be vehemently opposed to them, making the Divine not a Divine, but rather a representation of an Ideal. It is this difference that can allow some players to do as Mederrach did and use slanderous rhetoric towards a Divine, even if he knows he will be slain. After all, some people would gladly die for an ideal, correct?

It's got nothing with commanding respect, estarra is correct here.

People should respect the Gods not by how they act, but because they are gods. It's like in the army if you think your general is a big fat wanker and acts like a total smacktard, you have to respect the rank he holds even if you have none for him.

Based on that, i generally avoid directly insulting gods, and simply skirt around it so i can maintain my own roleplay god complex, but avoid getting zapped and disrespecting them.

However this was done in an IC manner, mederrach didnt bitch about getting zapped so there should be no offence taken OOC as a volunteer to the game. Even if terentia had've Zapped, TDFed, and put a curse equal to chaos death and life on him, that would've been fine.

But the gods are set up as opposing forces... so characters can necessarily expect to come into conflict with one or other of the Gods by design.

And it is hard to respect even an immortal when they are so obviously wrong (as supported by the views of MY God).

but you don't
why
because they can fling you to the void?
curse you?
shrub you?
make you wear pink?

Perhaps, except the general who's a big fat wanker is... on your side, my friend. You do not insult allies
I was saying that players have the right to backtalk divine who have OPPOSING ideals.

Nah... that just doesn't seem good enough to me.
So what should the players do. Just sit back and let the divine slug it out?

Should players be completely passive in the face of the divine?
If that is the case, why do the divine exist? Why have they been placed in the game?

Why are they not just a silent annoymous administrative force?

There is a rather distinct difference between an interchange such as this...

The commanding voice of Terentia, the Even Bladed resounds across the firmament, "I find death to be quite an effective reminder, Viravain.."

The unearthly voice of Viravain whispers upon the ether, "But there are things so much worse than death, dear Terentia."

Crimson Psionist Mederrach Feyranti, Planar Physicist shouts, "Viravain is right - Death is a blessing compared to how you go on and on about the Light, Terentia! Long live the Taint!"


And this.


The commanding voice of Terentia, the Even Bladed resounds across the firmament, "I find death to be quite an effective reminder, Viravain.."

The unearthly voice of Viravain whispers upon the ether, "But there are things so much worse than death, dear Terentia."

Crimson Psionist Mederrach Feyranti, Planar Physicist shouts, "Such as the sight of the Even Bladed's naked body?"

Both are disrespectful, yes. One is done in a manner that is okay, and in fact, we as the Divine are used to receiving. In fact, the first is something that would be a fairly good way to show your rebellion. The second is done in a manner that is tasteless and crude, and by all means would result in a superbly harsh punishment if that was shouted at a another player and they issued over it. We do not tolerate harassment, especially if it pertains to a sexual nature - and if you think that we do, you are very clearly mistaken.