Nudity need not be sexual in nature. That is where you seem to be misconstruing things. The manner in which Mederrach was referring to a nude female was hardly sexual at all. In fact, it simply stated that it would be a crude sight. Ever see a naked granny by accident? Not something you want to see, but hardly sexual in nature, unless you choose to make it. Go look in an art museum and you're see tons of fleshy works. Are they necessarily sexual in nature? No. This isn't either. There's a distinct difference between: "Such as the sight of the Even-Bladed's naked body?" and "Such as the sight of Terentia's *insert sexually vulgar phrase here*" Mederrach was hardly displaying "sexual harrassment" as you call it. The phrase "naked body" does not automatically make it a sexual thing. You simply wish to make it such. A naked body is *gasp* a natural occurance. "Wow, Viravain, you were born naked!" Is that sexual harrassment? No, it is not, neither is what Mederrach said. Learn the differences, please.

In future, I'd just start attacking the nation the shouter comes from. That always seems the most effective deterrant for naughtiness.

If you cannot understand what is crossing the line of acceptable, Revan, then more is the pity that should be shown for you. Disrespect is one thing. The degree it was taken to in this circumstance is another, and is not acceptable, and be it player, or volunteer, it does not have to be, and will not be likely to be tolerated.

If people do insist on crossing the line, it would seem Estarra has already made it clear that consequences can occur as a direct result. It is clearly a simple thing - try to understand it, for everyone's sake.

I think Divines should substitute zap for more tasty punishments, like being a statue of salt for a few IG years or some other stuff like that.

I bet a few weeks of not playing due to IC reasons would make people think twice about making comments that, whatever RP excuse you can find, wouldn't be made if you didn't know that you'll continue playing 15m later.

And that comment was really out of place, specially following a dare on an OOC clan.

One could argue that point in this specific case Viravain, though if you cannot see that, more's the pity that could be shown to you.

To elaborate: You are simply forcing your own views on "acceptable" upon others. Some people find kissing unacceptable, some people find eating meat unacceptable. Along those lines, some people find a referance to a naked body as nothing more than that... just a naked body. There is no big deal about it. It's nohing overtly sexual, you are just placing your views and ideals above everyone else's, and quite frankly, you are quite in the wrong about it. If mederrach wanted to sexually harrass Terentia with that comment, it would be much more lewd, however there is not a single HINT of ANYTHING sexual in that comment, aside from what you choose to see, Viravain. Please think objectively, and stop overreacting whenever you see something like this. There's no line that was crossed here... the line was about a mile away from being crossed.

Tasteless and crude, yes.
Harassment? of any nature? Just from that one statement?

However, I agree with your point... in that there are ways in which to express ones views and ways not to. I just don't see such a huge problem with Mederrach's statement - provided he's not complaining about the consequences...





No. This is bad.

The punishment for being disrespectful in-character should be something in-character.
Preventing people from playing the game should be reserved for adminstrative punishments.

We need a distinction on the severity of the 'crime' here.

I say unleash the cookie hordes into the streets of Magnagora! Let the avenues run red with sugary blood!


Just... stop. Stop while you are (in your mind) ahead.

The comment was slightly above the level of a 'yo momma' insult. I don't see how it was IC at all, I sure haven't heard of Terentia ever changing her appearance to resemble a naked woman (or man). I can see why it crossed the line, lets just accept it and move on.

Wow, I can't believe the discussion turned into that of sexual harrassment. No sexual harrassment was in that shout, at all. I never insinuated touching Terentia or anything of the sort. It simply said that seeing Terentia naked is NOT someone he would enjoy- it would be worse than death. I didn't realize people could get so touchy on such a small matter. It's this kind of sentiment that, unfortunately, leads to thousands of frivolous lawsuits.

But alas, take it how you will if you cannot be convinced otherwise. I'm not bitching about any IC punishment, or complaining at all. What disturbs me is how you can twist one sentence so much, drawing out conclusions like "Sexual harrassment" and "Borderline OOC". (And when I say you, I refer to a non-existent person that represents all the related arguments made)

I suppose there needs to be a scapegoat for in-game God bashing, and lucky me, I won that lottery.

Either way, I expressed from the very get-go, in one of my first posts, that there was no emotional damage/insult meant OOCly to the player of Terentia. If you (once again, not at anyone directly) want to turn it around and around, making it such a huge insult/sexual harrassment issue, well... you're entitled to your opinion.

Ugh. I think Estarra really should take a look at how restrained Gods are IC. For the amount of crap the volunteers put up with from us, they're left without much to do about it(Which I personally feel would go against their -Godly- roleplaying), and with it having the possibility of offending them or disheartening them OOC. And we wonder why we lose our Divine...

It's 100% in character. I point you to the various mythos about people being turned into inanimated objects or non sentient beings, from statues to spiders.

And you can play the game. It's just that you'd be very limited on what a statue can do. But sure would be something interesting to RP about afterwards!

Cookie hordes?

Fire, flood and famine!
And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth



You can still play the game? As a statue?
Sorry, I thought you were being serious

Well, you can entirely avoid being a statue by not shouting crap to a Divine. I am sure they wouldn't be turning everybody into statues just because.

Sorry, no. 'Sexual harassment' is defined (Legally and by several sources all over the web) as unwelcome sexual advance; the definition is often expanded to include the word 'repeated', but I'm not even going to bother with that. Now, Mederrach's comment was unwelcome, but it did not constitute a sexual advance - Mederrach didn't state his intention to shag Terentia. He stated that Terentia's naked body is not a pretty sight, which is quite the opposite, as we presume Mederrach does not have any sexual interest in Terentia whatsoever. Tasteless and juvenile? Maybe, but tasteless and juvenile characters are perfectly IC. And it's not harassment if it's done ICly, has a perfectly acceptable IC base to it, and happens as an isolated incident rather than a continued, deliberate process of abuse.

Now, time for the can of harden up. Let me make this clear: If you are going to play a Divine, you will be hated, ICly. There's no helping it. People are going to say bad things about you in tells, and in says, and yes, even in shouts sometimes. There's no escaping that fate. Not even if you play a candy-arse highfavours-for-all god. However, here's the thing, you can do something about it. Not only can you warn and zap people, you can really punish them, and creatively. You can put customised curses in them. You can make some object you don't like burst into flames periodically. And if your victims are roleplayers and understand that being mouthy to the Divine has consequences, they're going to accept it, and maybe ask for more. If they're not, tough luck; if you want to be respected as a god, you're going to have to make the mortals suffer. I got a much bigger punishment for things said in tells (Zap, disfavour, silenced) than Murphy or Mederrach got; Terentia could very well have given them a proper whipping into shape for that. You're disrespected, IC, because you choose to be.

Verithrax, about creative punishments, first you cannot code everything (customized curses mean programming quite a bit) and second if a divine made stuff explode then we would have about 40 idiots threads yelling abuse abuse.
Or basically Estarra would tell the Divine to stop.

I picked that example deliberately because Hajamin did it once, on demand. And there were no threads crying foul. And if there were, well, tough titties, it's what one gets for pissing off the Divine.

Personally, I think each Divine should take the time to code his or her personal curse to use as punishment. Terentia could, for example, set you on fire or transfix at random times, Viravain would spam you with messages of spiders crawling over your skin and hit you with random Blacktalon demesne effects, Estarra would give you a shiny high-heeled shoe permanently set into your pointy head. Things like that. What I'm saying is, the Divine need to harden up. Even though, yes, playing a character who insults a Divine publically (And that means you have a deathwish) is kind of dumb and definitely poor form, but it proliferates because people see no real consequences for doing it.

How is it that I'm still seeing threads like this at this point in Lusternia's lifetime, and made by early characters no less?

What is the actual point of this thread? Is it to complain that Gods react to disrespect to them? If that's the case, as soon as you disrespect a God you essentially reject a grace of an entirely different kind, and you open yourself up to any number of bad things happening - if you don't like it, don't piss them off!

Is it to say how wussy the warning zap Terentia used was? In which case, as you saw about thirty seconds later, She does have the power to kill anyone She likes straight out as well. You would not believe how much Gods can screw up your play experience if they truly want to, so teasing them about ineffectiveness is a really stupid idea.

Is it to show how stupidity and childishness in a group infects the rest of the group and invariably gets one or more of the group in serious trouble? Congratulations, did none of you go to primary school? You were kind of meant to learn that there.

I'm going to close this thread now - if anyone feels there is a legitimate point and discussion to be had here they are free to PM with answers to these questions and can make their case.

On a final note, I'm pretty saddened to see you Murphy, who I had up until now viewed as a sensible player, separate to your character, and a good OOC resource in terms of mature input when balancing, bring this kind of juvenile nonsense to the forums.