...smart statue

Yes and I used bellators as an example as well, eneming bellator to your mansce for no ic reason is bad roleplay was my example, Im not sure what your talking about actually?

Ok everyone knows it is OOC, and if you honors someone, say Murphy for example you would see he was in that clan. You IC'ly would not have any clue what that clan is about, stands for or anything. So how in the hell could you concieve IC'ly a reason to set totems against clan members? Your character would have no idea what they are about... even IC this is what you would find out

This clan does not seem to have written a summary.
The Mediator of Bellator Societas is Kaervas d'Murani, the Ascendant Fury.
The leadership positions are:
Overseers
Daevos, Ixion, Murphy, Torak, Lyco, Athana, and Iblis

The Evil One
Veonira

Ok now please point out how you could possibly make an IC reason to enemy them?

Well, I guess if you don't like evil people.

If you wanna you can justify any action as ic no matter how stupid you can justify being a griefing edgit ic as well if you really want to.

That's the textbook definition of bad roleplay. "Duuuuh, I wanna grief someone because I dun liek them, i'ma gonna make a cheap excuse for mah ."

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

Hey I didnt say I agreed with It I was just comparing it to the comment of eneming bellator its pretty much teh same thing duuuh bad ooc roleplay easily justifiy ic with some lame reason.

Im glad you agree though.

I was using it as an example, yes.

And it doesn't have to be OOC at all. Clearly Bellator is led by Magnagora's upper echelons, I could argue that such an influence is disastrous for Seren. Tuning a totem against them would be my method of finding out who are the traitors in Elryn's eyes who are working with Magnagorans for whatever devious schemes they have come up with.

Let's go further... what if I then possessed someone I saw get hit by this totem so that I could spy on whatever nefarious plots are being discussed on Bellator? I've not once left my role, so I can quite happily report what I hear - even if it might be meant as an OOC opinion. Any arguments that what was said was OOC are themselves OOC.

My point here is that clans are IC devices. They interact and influence IC. While a combat training clan (which is an IC purpose) might lapse into OOC occasionally if its members are willing, clans which have no purpose other than OOC chat I find are better served by IRC chatrooms, the forums, IM clients, and so on.

And this is all fixable by doing one super special simple little thing. Make the clan hidden like I did with The Dark Carnival, so the only name you ever see in relation to it is mine.

All IC justifications for statue tuning is gone. Well apart from if you are from Celest - they are the only org that I am enemied to at the moment.

And Avaer, you really have no clue if you think anyone is "better served" by using mirc/chatrooms/im clients instead of an OOC clan, if only because of the time wasted going from one application to another while you are in the middle of something to talk.

Not to mention, it is exceedingly easy to avoid the mischannel syndrome just by making a heap of aliases. For example:

#alias {ct} {#NOOP;#SAY ~+~+~+ USE ~"CITY~" INSTEAD ~+~+~+}
#alias {gt} {#NOOP;#SAY ~+~+~+USE ~"GUILD~" INSTEAD ~+~+~+}
#alias {ot} {#NOOP;#SAY ~+~+~+USE ~"ORDER~" INSTEAD ~+~+~+}
#alias {clt} {#NOOP;#SAY ~+~+~+USE ~"CLANNAME~" INSTEAD ~+~+~+}

#alias {city} {~ct %1}
#alias {guild {~gt %1}
#alias {order} {~ot %1}
#alias {juggalos} {clan switch 1;~clt %1}
#alias {bellator} {clan switch 2;~clt %1}

I'm sorry Murphy, but it's hard to ignore them when they are openly quoted as effecting multiple peoples actions. I can think of three very big instances in the last month where IC, people changed their attitude because of things from OOC clans, which then were later quoted on this very forum. I don't have to guess at it, the proof is right here. It would be fine if said clans stayed OOC, but they obviously don't. The forums are bad enough for bluring the line between OOC/IC, clans are worse.

I have a question for anyone from Bellator:
If bellator is OOC, and so good at keeping their interactions as such, why are most of the people in it friends IC as well? Has such OOC bluring effected them in that way so much that they've gravitated toward each other IC as well?

A majority of the people in Bellator are Magnagoran, and most of them come from the same "circle" so to speak. That explains why most of them are friends ICly as well, because we already know each other. As for the people from other cities/communes, I know personally that I don't speak to any of them off the clan, and I don't think twice about disliking them ICly.

There's definitely IC dislike between certain members of Bellator's.

Yeah, we kill each other on a fairly regular basis. We're able to seperate what our characters do to each other and what we as players talk about. There's not often hard ooc feelings against each other, but I assure you there is a lot of ic hatred between quite a few characters in that clan

I'm going to repeat an earlier suggestion.



The differences would be that a channel:
* cannot have totems, statues, manses or modules tuned for or against them
* does not appear in honours
* has only two positions, owner and welcomer
* will not be heard by skills that eavesdrop
* has a slightly different appearance - ] - Someone: "Blah."
* has no bank account or fees due
* has no log, but still has a newsboard
* POSSIBLY could allow every member to choose an alias by which they will be known.

For example,

CHATWHO
Avaer (Elryn)
TheKilla (Chron)
etc.

No.

Why invent a whole new type of clan that will transform us into Achaea when, hey, people can just go and utilize one of the 9,000,000 existing chatrooms on the internet?

As well thought out of an idea as that is, don't you think that would only exacerbate the "problem"?

Because we already have them now. I'd prefer at least making OOC clans flaggable as such, if we aren't going to get rid of them.

It's a compromise. People don't want to lose OOC clans, but I don't like the way they use IC devices for them. So, this way at least they are very clearly different to IC communication, which hopefully reinforces not to mix them.

Show me.

So why was it that OOC clans exist in the first place?

Because not everyone has a problem with them. In fact, the people who have problems with them are essentially a vocal minority. Being able to vent and chatter over an OOC clan is relaxing, fun, and perfectly legitimate. As long as you can keep the OOC seperate from the IC, everything's fine. So, people's problems aren't with OOC clans, it's with people abusing them. And you know what? People abuse things. Get used to it.