Well, golly-gee! I sure wish Estarra and the other IRE heads wouldn't fix those nifty bugs out there that allow me to bypass stuff! I mean, that's what it's there for obviously!

Anyway, I don't agree with OOC clans at all. If you need a taste of relaxation and real life then apparently the game isn't doing you any good and is flawed in some way. I would've thought once things like Achaea's OOC and Rage channels were removed this would've been on the list too, but I guess not. MSN, Yahoo, AIM, and various other mediums all support this for free, by the way.

Bellators is just a spinoff from DoK.. both are used for people to mainly talk about combat related things.

Here is a silly made up example of how one might use the clan, which would be a pain if it was completely outside the game (and hence why people are willing to spend 500K to make them in the first place when they can make IRC rooms for free)..

Me talking to guildmate:
"And remember, if you ever encounter...

(Bellators) You say, whats that aqua skill again that moves people?
(bellators) somoeon says, "currents"

You say to guildmate "'And remeber, if you ever encounter currents, be sure to find the rest of the group quickly."

(bellators) Thanks..


As for the non-combat related things we always find in the quotes thread....

Ever heard the chitchat on a submarine? *shudder*

Actually with a list like that, I see a Magnagoran clan run by the people who most often raid celest and serenwilde.

I would be curious why somoene like Nejii was in it, if I didn't know it was an OOC clan. If I belonged to Serenwilde and was 100% IC I would have to wonder.

There are Glomdoring leaders there, as well as prominent Celestians (well, one at least ). Which would make a lot of people wonder, were it IC.

So why is Guido objecting to the creation a new type of clan for OOC use?



I was going to let the rest go... but your argument isn't very good, and I think you can do better... so:

If we grant that people wish to communicate in an OOC fashion, why have an in-game clan to support this, when, as Guido mentioned there are many other methods available to achieve this?

Because it's easier and we don't have to, theoretically, "go afk" when switching to the chat/MIRC/whatever windows. Plus, you might not like some people and still want to get their oppinions without giving away your chatdetails.

Personally I see nothing wrong with OOC clans. Sometimes they can be a relief from the game when you want to be on yet don't. I actually like just talking about random things on my clan, Seekers of Tranquility, in Imperian. Thing is, SoT isn't exactly OOC. We've sort of blended then line between OOC and IC. On SoT, 3 of them are my character's sons. They all call me Mother, mom, etc over SoT but sometimes we'll joke around and say something that's about something IRL. And quite a few of those people I, personally, don't know IRL yet we still have fun. We've never taken anything from it that's OOC and tried for an IC justifaction.

I'm pretty good at keeping all the OOC stuff from IC. Anything that's been talked about on the forums, I read it, go "hmm that's interesting" or whatever when I finish. When I get on, I don't go "OMG! Soandso, you scum bag, you killed blah blah!" If I've read the Soandso has killed blah blah for being a glom. If its that hard for someone to keep OOC things, e.i forum posts, from IC then they shouldn't read/do those things.

Much better.
Now... anyone want to take up the case against?



The problem with OOC clans is clearly visible in their name.
So.
Is this OOC justified within the game?

The bolded ones are the only two I don't agree with there. I have an OOC clan and I use multiple positions just to try and keep track of whos who. There isn't really any justification to "only have two positions" other than to be a prat. Also, the log is a much needed tool. If someone is abusing their powers, or just inducted someone I know won't be able to tell the difference between IC and OOC or will cause conflict within the clan, then I need to be able to boot them. Other than that, the rest of your options are fine - especially if it gets seperated from normal clan aliases and there isn't a limit of 1 OOC channel per person (and tbh, I would prefer "OOCWHO" because at least that way it will clearly designate it as apart from the normal channels.

I always knew you hated me!

Should be obvious, T-Kitty

Only one thing I require of ooc clans, put their set up to hidden.

You amuse me Daganev. Don't assume to know what we speak about over my clan, it's funny how much you seem against my clan considering the amount of times you have asked me to let you in. All of this because of a log which showed Murphy dare someone over the clan to shout something, if he had used tells would you all be bitching about how tells can be used for OOC? Somehow I doubt it.



Bellator isn't "led" by anyone, everyone is considered equal with a few people from all places able to induct others. You have no idea how my clan works or how we all act over it. These sorts of assumptions are what lead to stupid threads like this.

I don't think Bellator is led by anyone, and I don't think it has an IC relationship to Magnagora, Serenwilde, or anything else.

That doesn't mean a character couldn't view the available information with that sort of slant, or do what I said in the example.

As for how -some- of you act, well, it is rather often posted on the forums.

Edit: In case it wasn't clear, I wasn't actually planning to tune statues against Bellator. I don't have a problem with 98% of the people I know to be in it. I was just using it as an example in a hypothetical, as it is the most public OOC clan.

Ok, yes, they -could-, but why would they other than to be a pain? I can go around robbing people with my pooka too, I don't. Someone could go around bothering everyone in a given OOC clan (mechanically) but they shouldn't. I mean, why do you mention it?

Because you're not saying that the gold they carry is OOC, and therefore it can't be robbed. (Assuming robbed is a verb like that. )

really, guiys just go back to your own boring little lives of RP. If you don't like seeing it on forums, THEN DONT READ THE FORUMS. At the end of the day if you're reading forums it's not wrecking your immersion because you aren't in the game.

Pathetic retards who crap on about RP this and immersion that, honestly YOU don't hear what I say on either one of my 3 OOC channels (and yes I have 3, Carni bellator and dok) it doesn't wreck YOUR gameplay.

It does however enrich my lusternian experience cause I have 3 different sets to go nuts on. I happen to like speaking to malicia thoros and amaru OOC on dok, but IC malicia has me snubbed cause i'm the worst IC enemy you can have. OOC though i love mali she rocks, even though i offend her at time.

I also happen to think nejii is a decent bloke, but he has me snubbed IC because we argue about IC things and I never just let anything go. So quit your rediculous caper and bitchfest about OOC clans. Like i said before dont like em? dont join em and if you dont like seeing them on the forums then there's a little thing at the right hand side of your screen....ITS CALLED A BLOODY SCROLLBAR USE IT. Page down key also works, or you could just go start, shutdown and go get a life.

Murphy, I'm not sure who your post is directed at. Who was saying they don't like seeing ooc clans on forums?

wesmin for one, and a few others said "oohh but i see it on the forums boo hoo"

HArden up the lot of you. It doesn't affect you IC so why talk about it other than to try and sound important

Since the other thread got locked which pretty much sparked off this recent debate, I figured I would throw my thoughts on the Divine and respect.

Asarnil pretty much views most of the Divine (except for Fain, Raezon and Estarra - though Estarra is mainly from OOC Achaeaness ) as nothing more than stronger humans. They are just as petty, flawed and prone to buggering up as humans are, and he has a strong belief that just on past history, the next time something on the level of Kethuru happens, they are just going to bugger off and leave us to mop up the mess that they couldn't yet again. Sure I know that I would only be on their level if I somehow managed to go Vernal (like thats gonna happen to me heh), but the fact that mortals were the only ones able to even contain the Soulless while the Gods pretty much got swept away like chaff is always sitting at the back of his mind (even if he never articulates this as obviously and crudely as a few people I won't mention).

My other characters don't share this view obviously but there is an absolute wealth of IC reasons for the mortals to not have much (if any) respect for the Divine - even if we love the work they do out of the game. I think the recent problems aren't really able to be placed in one camp or another - Viravain and Terentia (most visibly) have been really heavy handed and in some cases petty when it comes to some in-game actions (though its nothing less than Asarnil would expect from the Elder Gods - hell it makes the game more interesting) and the players have been increasingly more bold.

About the only suggestion I would like to make to Vira and Terentia is to take the game easier. I'm not sure wether its just stress or something, but both of you it seems have been a lot more snappish in game and out lately and like it or not, that will effect the playerbase accordingly. To certain players I don't really need to spell anything out here, because I am quite able to give them a tongue lashing on other places where I don't have to wait for their replies. Just remember that it IS a game, and even if people may be annoying, that we DO respect what you guys are doing behind the scenes, even if some of our characters have differences.