IF we're going to go there, i'd like to defend myself from lisaera's last post. I originally started that thread in the funnies with a different topic, and some dirty moderator changed it on me.

I created that thread for a laugh at the bits I posed, MY bits, then it turned into a shitfight.

I'm ashamed at you all for bitching in there!

well put, I agree thoroughly and happen to be in an ooc clan as well, sure, it's tons of fun to Joke with Gavilian and other Celest people in the ooc clan, they're really nice and funny, but when it comes to rping, I can't stand Celest at all

short, but sweet


oh, and in the clan, we don't really talk about when or where a raid is happening, we're too busy with corny jokes and the like.


edit: and, I may communicate with people oocly on aim or whatnot talking about events happening or recent (but past) raids, but, neither of us ever discuss raids as they are going on, especially if the other isn't in the realms.

Sorry, no, I don't think we'll go there. The other thread was locked, this thread is not related to it except that it (yes) gave me the impulse to write my opinion on a topic that has been bothering me for a long while.

While I can't tell anyone what to post here, I definitely don't want to see this turn into "closed thread version 2".

The topic here was not OOC clans either, incidentally. The topic was making up IC excuses for using OOC information, quite unrelated to where that info came from. OOC clans were merely the most recent occurence.

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Murphy: You do realize that bitching at people for bitching about things and telling them to just skip the post they dislike is rather, well, pots and pans? Except you're rude about it.

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Veonira: I do it the same way most people do it I would think... I form an opinion based on the information available to me. If I see person X say that they can justify OOCly motivated action Y by IC justification Z, that's all the "looking into people's heads" I need, isn't it?

And as for me telling people how to do their roleplay... is that what I do? I stated my personal opinion, which is that making up IC excuses for things you do for OOC reasons is lame, at least in most situations, and I'd rather people don't bother me with them. That, and I'd rather people don't get the idea that such justifications make any real difference, but that's all up to them of course, whatever floats your boat...

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Banning OOC clans or tuning statues against them is neither inherently IC or OOC.

The act of banning or tuning is IC, as the clans exist as IC bodies, information is available about them ICly, and characters can decide to act on whatever information they have. At that stage, as I said, it is necessarily IC, as "OOC clan" is an information not available ICly and thus there is no IC difference between, say, Bellator Societas and TMC in that regard. If your character acts on an IC dislike for whatever aspect of either clan, that would be IC.

Banning people in that clan from entering your manse because you as a player dislike OOC clans would obviously be OOC, yes.

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Thats for giving me an other example, your giving a flismy ic reason oh no there are mags, to do an act for ooc reasons to banning bellator.



Because the people who get invited to it arnt ass wholes so we generally get along fine and make friends with each other.




Oh I agree there is a lot of mixing ooc and ic things but banning ooc clans wont stop that, For example look at narasrim when he made threats to do ic actions for comments made on the forum, if you ban ooc clans ban the forum as well.

Just because you forgot to take your medication, and need a place to scream, doesn't mean it has to be in an ooc clan.

OOC titles? What bloody OOC titles are we talking about?

Raja Exarius.

Where exactly is the ingame reference to raja? Either your using the ooc meaning of raja or ic you just made up a word so in which case its ok if I call my self High aztez ferlas

My aren't you an Ignorant fool.

I was DEFENDING the existance of the clan you Git.

However, lets take Disciples of Crow for an instance. Imagine if they kept telling everyone on the forums it was just an OOC clan. Or the Walkers clan for instance.

If, read IF IF IF, notice I said the word IF here... If there was a vast conspiracy amongst City and Commune leaders, bellators would be the perfect place for it to happen, and anybody who doesn't know otherwise would be perfectly reasonable in thinking it was some Magnagoran lead conspiracy. The only way a person would know that it is an OOC clan, would be if they read the forums.

But I am sure a complex opinion such as.. Having OOC clans is fine, but its also ok to take IC actions on them, is too complicated for the likes of you.

Oh god let's not start this debate. I've never seen, for example, a snail in game but if someone tried to pull me up on RPing that my character had a pet snail I'd sure as hell call them an idiot. We don't need all of the nouns handed to us on a platter for available use.

If you don't like seeing people making negative comments on your threads, whichever forum section they might be, then there's a little thing at the right hand side of your screen....ITS CALLED A BLOODY SCROLLBAR USE IT. Page down key also works, or you could just go start, shutdown and go get a life. emphasis on the last bit...

Edit: @topic in general, I think if your clan is completely OOC, it should be hidden from your Honors. I don't know much about Clans, so if there is some gold cost for doing this, I appologize in advance. An effort should be made to make it so anyway, as there's no reason to leave it public. If you get some kind of pride out of being a member of that Clan, you're pathetic.

Rauros there is - look at The Dark Carnival. I am the only one who shows up on its list - and thats because I am the clan head.

Isn't bellators like that? I can't tell, since I'm in it so I think it would show up anyway.

EDIT: should be if it isn't.

Bellators is publicly in your honours, thats why Avaer brought it up as an example.(I assume)

Hear hear.


(Here here?)

What he said.

I adopted the title Raja when the active members of the Shanthine Pride voted to put an Indian/Middle-Eastern flavour on the culture. It's a real word, it means chieftan, and I've earned that role IC many times over, as any number of pride members will testify.

I've lavished about 15,000,000 gold and countless hours on promoting the Shanthine Pride. It's become a living, growing subculture in Lusternia, with its own developing arts and customs, and Exarius is the Raja. Deal with it.

That's right, I am rude about a great range of issues. Deal with it pumpkin, and if you get offended then you need a dose of harden up, quit with the tears and learn that real life is not nice, cushy or fair.

As to everyone else, my comments stands. It's an OOC clan, most of the major fighters (And a great majority of people who pay a lot of money) enjoy being in them. Since it's not IC to talk about things being overpowered, it keeps it on an acceptable medium.

Deal with it. It's not that hard.

I think he was saying that your whinging about whinging is a bit hypocritical . Maybe you should just harden up and ignore us flag-waving card-holding PC lefties?

The words 'harden up' have been used so often in this topic it's become comic.

How do I put this... While I definitely dig Murphy's rudeness in game, where it quite fits his role as a tainted hardass warrior, in a forum like this it just looks ridiculous.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'll agree it has lost alot of its flair though.

Now back to topic. *shoo*

YRAEL FOR PRINCESS!!!