Amaru's system

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Unknown2006-06-03 21:57:05
QUOTE(Xavius @ Jun 3 2006, 10:54 PM) 293539

Er.

Uh huh.

I'm not sure how to respond to that, except maybe to gracefully accept your concession.

Yes. Buyer beware. You can get a better system at a lower price by following the link above.


Of course you can. Murphy, the legendary psychotic coder. A jumbled up jigsaw of parts of my system, inbred with butchered aspects of Thorgal's. You're onto a winner.
Xenthos2006-06-03 22:02:01
QUOTE(Spectator @ Jun 3 2006, 05:57 PM) 293541

Of course you can. Murphy, the legendary psychotic coder. A jumbled up jigsaw of parts of my system, inbred with butchered aspects of Thorgal's. You're onto a winner.

...

Okay, so now you just admitted that you are Amaru by calling it "your" system.

You really aren't any good at this whole "pretending to be somebody else" business. happy.gif
Xavius2006-06-03 22:02:30
Hey, look at the alternatives. One can parry and cure sap without trueheal.
Unknown2006-06-03 22:05:07
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 3 2006, 11:02 PM) 293542

...

Okay, so now you just admitted that you are Amaru by calling it "your" system.

You really aren't any good at this whole "pretending to be somebody else" business. happy.gif


Come on, I barely tried.

Anyway, this short stint was purely for the purpose of getting some exposure to my system sale.

May I point out, for any young potential customers who don't already know, that the Xavius, Xenthos and Verithrax crowd are the type of jealous, good for not much Lusternia players you want to avoid. The kind you can beat with a big laugh if you buy my system. Beating the crap out of losers is what Lusternia is all about. You won't find a game this much fun anywhere.

Exiting the scene. Applications by message and tell. For the results of system testing, see deathsight.

Ciao. kiss.gif
ferlas2006-06-03 22:12:48
QUOTE(Spectator @ Jun 3 2006, 10:41 PM) 293528

Come on. Who, of the people criticising the system, has beaten it? This is funny. Come on guys.


I have, amarus system cures vapors and whammys poorly compared to thorgal-murphys and thorgal-murphys has much better illusion protection, thats all I can say about it really.
Verithrax2006-06-03 22:50:12
QUOTE(Spectator @ Jun 3 2006, 07:05 PM) 293544

Come on, I barely tried.

Anyway, this short stint was purely for the purpose of getting some exposure to my system sale.

May I point out, for any young potential customers who don't already know, that the Xavius, Xenthos and Verithrax crowd are the type of jealous, good for not much Lusternia players you want to avoid. The kind you can beat with a big laugh if you buy my system. Beating the crap out of losers is what Lusternia is all about. You won't find a game this much fun anywhere.

Exiting the scene. Applications by message and tell. For the results of system testing, see deathsight.

Ciao. kiss.gif

Er, right. "By buying my system, if you are omnitrans and a Celestine of course, you can kill people who not only don't want to fight, but are not even TRYING TO! It's PURE MAGIC!"

Seriously, what kind of an idiot spends 300cr on a fighting system? You can write better yourself and use the credits on skills/artifacts. In fact, using a system you don't know inside and out is just stupid for any serious fighter and I strongly advise you to implement your own or at least, if you insist on buying software that you haven't seen at work (Except through 'teh deathsights' which are as poor an indicator as any. At a certain point, all systems are just as good, and while a good fighter can do well with a bad system, the best system in the world won't make a decent fighter out of a bad one.) you will eventually have to plow through Amaru's (Likely to be badly written, even if it works ideally for him) code (Considering that ZMud script is pretty much a write-only language and melts the brain) to work out the kinks and get it to work for you. Buying a system is a bad idea, and frankly, I'd rather go with Ethelon or Murphy.

Oh, and young Lusternians, remember one thing: Verithrax didn't get banned from the forums for repeatedly breaking the rules, and Verithrax doesn't measure his success in the game by the amount of people who hate him. happy.gif
Anisu2006-06-03 23:27:13
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 4 2006, 12:12 AM) 293545

I have, amarus system cures vapors and whammys poorly compared to thorgal-murphys and thorgal-murphys has much better illusion protection, thats all I can say about it really.

false, extremely false. Thorgal-murphy's system doesn't deal well with illusions (and the only real way to defend against good illusions is: autocure off or diagcure on). Also Murphy-Thorgal's system creates a big system lag. I have a 2.7ghz 800mhz clockspeed pentium with 4 gig ram, my system uses 300mb ram for windows and aux programs, and in any 5+ people battle it will just freak out. Not to mention it echoes on other people getting hit or being hit, and doesn't deal well with not having focus mind (he forseen it but forgot some code in his herbcuring, easily adjustable which is mandatory because else you won't cure things like stupidity) and sap curing is better just an alias anyway.

I haven't tested Amaru's system yet, and like any system it will have strong points and some weaker points. Quite frankly you can't get an 'out of the box' system from someone, the art is to finetune it to yourself.

And verithrax any serious programmer looks at other people's code when they are doing something similar. For a very simple reason, they might have some pretty decent coding styles you can use instead of doing things from scratch and wasting time.

edit: and I wanted to add, Ethelon's system, atleast the free one is seriously outdated.
ferlas2006-06-03 23:35:12
QUOTE(Anisu @ Jun 4 2006, 12:27 AM) 293567

Thorgal-murphy's system doesn't deal well with illusions


You don't have the latest murphy illusion protection then.
Anisu2006-06-03 23:36:06
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 4 2006, 01:35 AM) 293570

You don't have the latest murphy illusion protection then.

he can confirm that I do, infact I checked his own affliction messages just do create illusions against that system, fairly easy to do.
Verithrax2006-06-03 23:36:42
I'm just saying paying 300cr for writing your own system in the end is dumb. And that ZMud script isn't real programming, and that a Lusternia system doesn't have enough complexity to warrant paying to read someone else's code as you write your own. And that, in general, systems are badly written (ZMud is, like I said, a write-only script and conducts to code that is just bad and wrong). One of the reasons I never built a system is that I wouldn't touch most scripting done in MUD clients with an aircraft carrier (The others are that I don't want to collect all the trigger text, and that I'm not tritrans and therefore didn't make an effort to fight until very recently).And again, writing ZMud code hurts the brain and trying to read someone else's ZMud code makes it turn to mush inside your head (It's not as bad as tf, but tf has comments and works in a way that, if you're drunk enough, resembles sh).
Anisu2006-06-03 23:38:30
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 4 2006, 01:36 AM) 293572

I'm just saying paying 300cr for writing your own system in the end is dumb. And that ZMud script isn't real programming, and that a Lusternia system doesn't have enough complexity to warrant paying to read someone else's code as you write your own. And that, in general, systems are badly written (ZMud is, like I said, a write-only script and conducts to code that is just bad and wrong). One of the reasons I never built a system is that I wouldn't touch most scripting done in MUD clients with an aircraft carrier (The others are that I don't want to collect all the trigger text, and that I'm not tritrans and therefore didn't make an effort to fight until very recently).And again, writing ZMud code hurts the brain and trying to read someone else's ZMud code makes it turn to mush inside your head (It's not as bad as tf, but tf has comments and works in a way that, if you're drunk enough, resembles sh).

accually a decent lusternia system is more complex then you can imagine (lusternia is freaking hard to trigger for)
ferlas2006-06-03 23:38:42
Strange since i've got it it avoid and ignore all serious illusions, are you sure your not doing something wrong?
Acrune2006-06-03 23:39:09
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 3 2006, 06:50 PM) 293555

Verithrax doesn't measure his success in the game by the amount of people who hate him. happy.gif


I've gotten a different impression from hearing you talk tongue.gif

But yeah, write your own system. Its not that hard for people who aren't as lazy as me. That is a pretty shiny interface though, maybe you should consider selling just that tongue.gif
Verithrax2006-06-03 23:45:50
QUOTE(Anisu @ Jun 3 2006, 08:38 PM) 293573

accually a decent lusternia system is more complex then you can imagine (lusternia is freaking hard to trigger for)

No, not really. It's a lot of triggers, but deep down the system is fairly modular and you have just to set priorities right and make sure it detects common locks and knows how to get out. Illusion detection consists of knowing context (Which you should do with multi-line triggers anyway) and setting a flag against then next message (Or a timer, if you're feeling bold). Really, it's not that complex at all once you take out all the triggers.
Anisu2006-06-03 23:52:09
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 4 2006, 01:38 AM) 293574

Strange since i've got it it avoid and ignore all serious illusions, are you sure your not doing something wrong?

I'm very sure since I even annoy people with the system in village influencing with it. However there are very few battle illusion users out there (infact I only saw geb use it to an extent that was battle worthy, though that doesn't mean there aren't any others out there that do it).

Verithrax: first read zmud's help files about syntax usage, then zmud script will make a lot of sense. If you want the best healing system by the way, it would require coding in a coding language like C, C++, delphi,... eg. making your own mudclient with hardcoded triggers.

QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 4 2006, 01:45 AM) 293578

No, not really. It's a lot of triggers, but deep down the system is fairly modular and you have just to set priorities right and make sure it detects common locks and knows how to get out. Illusion detection consists of knowing context (Which you should do with multi-line triggers anyway) and setting a flag against then next message (Or a timer, if you're feeling bold). Really, it's not that complex at all once you take out all the triggers.

bolded is false with wrapwidth 250 you rarely need multilines. and herb tracking, potiontracking, keeping fewest triggers as possible while being fully protected, keeping code readable, you know all those basic coding things you learn in school

1. easy to read for 3rd person coder (including comments which are possible in zmud)
2. fewest possible system demands(in zmud this means as few triggers as possible and prefer boolean over other types of datastorage)
3. do what you want it to do.
Verithrax2006-06-04 00:07:40
It still hurts my brain. There's no getting around the convoluted and artificial semantics; tintin was bad to start with. Oh, and there are several events which are two lines or several lines, independent of wrapwidth; you don't get what I'm talking about. And finally, seriously, 300cr is way more than this is worth and you'd improve your fighting more by simply spending 100 credits on yourself and writing your own system.

And seriously, what kind of perversely stupid mind writes a Lusternia system in C? Just write a Perl script and be done with it.

EDIT: Actually, the best IRE system there is is Whyte's system. Why doesn't someone adapt it for Lusternia? You just have to change the data to get a decent system, and modifications to the code would be marginal to get a complete curing system.
Anisu2006-06-04 00:16:16
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 4 2006, 02:07 AM) 293582

It still hurts my brain. There's no getting around the convoluted and artificial semantics; tintin was bad to start with. Oh, and there are several events which are two lines or several lines, independent of wrapwidth; you don't get what I'm talking about. And finally, seriously, 300cr is way more than this is worth and you'd improve your fighting more by simply spending 100 credits on yourself and writing your own system.

And seriously, what kind of perversely stupid mind writes a Lusternia system in C? Just write a Perl script and be done with it.

C accually has several advantages over any other programming language, and if people waste 200 credits on a freaking flowerpot, why wouldn't they waste credits on a curative system? People will really make out for themselves if they want to use these credits for a system or not. They don't need your 'warning'.

Terenas2006-06-04 02:19:17
This is just bad form, Amaru is advertising his system, not someone else's. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't advertise or compare it to someone else's system, go make another thread for that. You guys could criticize his system and all that but if you can't code or fight as well as he is, why do you guys bother arguing?
Veonira2006-06-04 03:37:25
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 3 2006, 07:36 PM) 293572

(It's not as bad as tf, but tf has comments and works in a way that, if you're drunk enough, resembles sh).


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Scarring memories of my current experiences.
Unknown2006-06-04 04:10:24
I wasn't knocking his system, I just found his advertisement funny. Lot's of colors just thrown in for the hell of it, heh.

Personally, I hold with the idea that, if you buy your system, you will never really be top tier. Ever. You'll simply be mediocre.

I think the nicest thing about Amaru's and Thorgal's system is the GUI, but then again it's quite extraneous and not necessary.