FACT TIME! Angels and demons are -not- aggressive. They just stand there when enemies walk by, unless the person attacks, in which case all those in the room team. Fae do the same thing - perhaps certain Fae should be stronger than others, to make them on par to the angel/demon groups.

ALSO: There are -very- few archangels and archdemons just wandering around. For the most part they are only located around the Supernals and Demon Lords, and are called when they are attacked. You're generally dealing with imps/cherubs, fiends/devas, and one or two angels.



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Did you READ the part where I said the archways should be removed? Did you? Also, we cannot kill the Fae off-plane because they need to be revived in the Well of Souls. Also, the Avatars have fae and, GET THIS, PLAYER DEFENDERS.

You keep leaving out important details.

Raiding for avatars is going to be rare, raiding for fae is not.

Anything you do to make it easier for the cities to raid the Avatars, makes it TOO easy to raid the fae (remember you don't need to hit anything or ever be enemied)

Anything you do to make it not to easy to raid the fae, makes it too hard to raid the Avatars.

Thats what I ment Guido. That is a quite a big "so?"

Unless of course you seperate the avatars from the fae.

Now, see, I've raided Nil often enough (not enemied though, woo for never getting the killing blow!) to know that, unless they were changed since I was a Celestine, the demons attack enemies of Nil on sight. The Demon Lords, however, do not.

I think you all missed my edit any quote xavius

Are you actually reading what people are typing, or just imagining what you already have formulated arguments to?

Connect Celestia and Nil once, see how long that lasts.

Raiding for Supernals/Demon Lords is rare too, raiding for angels/demons is not.

You can't raid the Fae without killing them. We can't make honeycakes.

Ta-da.

Understand and re read the last two pages of posts daganev, the fae are equlivant to the imps and the cherubs in every single way, they should be defended equally.

I never said eth glom and seren should be connected - I said the archways ought to go, remember?



Odd. I know for a fact angels are never aggressive automatically.

Raiding for fae is squint, squint, movemovemovemove, give honeycake, movemovemove, give honeycake, movemovemovemovemove, give honeycake, movemove, give honeycake. No one knows unless someone is onplane, and since you're on the same accursed plane anyways, you would never do something that rampantly idiotic.

Raiding for angels or demons involves combat, which takes time and alerts player defenders. They might be used in a quest, but the method is different.

Seriously, just give the Avatars a little area like Crow and Hart have, then disconnect all four from org territory.



Ohhhhhhh. You're not saying the archways should go. You're saying that the planes should be disconnected.

Huge difference, boy. Keep up!

FACT TIME, PART DEUX. We can't make honeycakes. So, we need to attack Fae.

You understand that some people have to kill the fae to get them?

As I said make the shadowbound/moon fae let out a cry for help when cakes have been given to them,

(glomdoring) A shadowbound banshee says Someones trying to take me from my tval or what ever its called etc.

I made lots of honeycakes for Serenwilde as a Celestian cook.

Ah, crap, forgot about cooks. Well then, one more change: make honeycakes made with cooking different than the ones that are quest items. Can't the avatars or Butter make them? If not, make it so the they can again. That issue, resolved.

Butter serves anyone, even the city people.

I'm saying both. Sort of. EthGlom, EthSeren, and Faethorn should be different continents (like earth caverns and the mountains of madness), with the archways removed.



I gave her a load of honeycomb before I was enemied to Faethorn or either spirit and nothing happened.

That would have been during the last Faethorn event, I imagine.

Um, no? Were you around when Celest got raided on an hourly basis by Magnagorans? I can assure you the city was incredibly frustrated and burnt out. That's one of the reasons why the guards and Supernals/Demon Lords were upgraded. This is precisely what Estarra does not want, your suggestions would do nothing but escalate the level of conflicts on Ethereal to what occured during the last Glom vs. Seren war. Both sides were exhausted and frustrated to hell because of all the fightings all the time.

I don't think so - it was shortly before I began killing them on a regular basis, which was after the event.



Uh, what? Currently the conflict on celestia and nil is fine, and with my suggestions the ethereal areas would be identical in every way to cosmic.

Ethereal.
Is.
Not.
Mechanically.
Equivalent.
To.
Cosmic.