I believe it was part of an attempt to move PK offplane.

I'm surprised to hear that.

Specially since I see your name nowhere in my post about sadistic jerks.

1. Inquisition is not 'easy to pull off'.

2. There are far better ways to spend 10 power (IE trueheal) with a Soulless Tarot than inquisition.

3. I haven't used it since the downgrade.

4. Inquisition clearly has been downgraded, as it now doesn't produce a full kill on people who've sipped vitae.

Hence, you only ever used it to strip Vitae. Hence, you only ever used it to make people pray. The question is, why do you want people to pray as opposed to vitae back to life?

Because no one cares about vitae. You make someone vitae and they shrug, bash for 10 minutes and it's nothing. Making someone pray has an effect - on their experience and level, which is weakening them - on their God's essence, which is weakening them - on their city's morale, which is weakening them. It's like saying, why not just debate them? It's a win, isn't it?

This is pretty stupid, sorry sweety but your complaining that you cant force people to pray, that is just plain silly. Your complaining that you cant cause max loss to other people exp by stripping vitae.

It's combat value has not been lessened, full stop it just plain hasnt. Its ability to make people lose a greater exp than they other wise would have against any other class has.

This is what we call balance you are now balanced with other classes, I have the same ability to lose exp against a celestine as I do against a serenguard now, You have been changed to create better balance.

But the problem with your argument is that by your definition no other class can win.

You are the only ones that can strip vitae, none other. Everyone else has to make do with never 'winning' assuming they are prepared. Is that reasonable?

Well yes it's reasonable. No class besides Necromancers can lich. No other class besides Wiccan can transmigrate. All the other classes have to lose exp when they die. How unfair? Bring them back in line with everyone else? Identical skills for all?

No?

I agree. Let me resay what you were referring to.

I also suggested an idea recently for lessening the restrictions of Avenger/karma on prime combat. It was mostly ignored. Instead, we'll happily debate a 7 page thread about how sad it is the monopoly of one guild on forced praying is now gone.

That's good. I'm personally of the opinion that planar combat can't compare to Prime, in terms of fun and breadth.

Don't backpedal. You are arguing that only praying is a win and vitae ('walking away') isn't.

If that's the case, assuming the person is prepared, NO OTHER CLASS CAN WIN.

Er, no. The effect of pray experience loss in combat is, as a matter of fact, negligible; the difference between dying and losing 5% and dying and losing a level is very small in terms of statistics and combat power, unless you're a Titan/Demigod or, arguably, just lost level 80. However, the overall moral effect is much greater - It's more frustrating, it's more time-consuming, it's more humiliating.

Oh I agree with this totally at the moment the cities have much better exp loss prevention than the communes, most importantly glomdoring suffers the worse exp loss I have already asked for glomdorings exp loss to be balanced with the two cities or even the other commune. I hope it will happen some time.

But at the moment the inquisition change was a good change to give balance to the game, exp loss is equal from a serenguard, a geomancer or a celestine now, its just called balance sweety.

Oh one note though spectator you seem to have a poor understanding of some skills, if you want to ask about any of them just give me a pm, transmigrate is a ecology skill not wicca.

My point was that just as other organisations have skills like Lich and Transmigration, Celest doesn't. The resurrection skills don't count, as the other orgs have these too. Celest had Inquisition as a kind of counterbalance to these. Or so I thought.

Celest has sacrifice. Serenwilde has resurgem. Magnagora has Lich and NO ressurection skills. Glomdoring has NO ressurection skills, except transmigration for a very small part of the population. EVERYONE has access to Vitae, including Celest.

Au contraire. Magnagora has Ixion's soulres gem, which gets used a lot more than you might think. Glomdoring has transmigration.

So you're saying Inquisition was a counterpart to Ixion's soulres gem? Also, transmigration is no different from Vitae (Actually, it keeps a combatant out of a fight for longer) and is only availiable to trans ecologists - Ecologists are roughtlly 1/9 of Glomdoring, and there's only a handful of transcendant ones. Also, Ixion's gem isn't as good nor as universally availiable as a real rezz skill. And finally, everyone has access to Vitae, and Celest has better ressurection than everyone else - Why are you complaining?

I think this has gone a little too far. It was about why inquisition exists, and why it makes people pray.

Exactly. You haven't explained why do you want to make people pray.

I have though.