Unknown2006-06-05 15:03:11
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 5 2006, 09:45 AM) 294302
Metagaming is just that, matagaming; it's treating the game, in-character, as a game, and that's just idiotic.
But... it is a game. And he's asking on an out of character forum how he can better enjoy the game.
How on earth is this some example of poor roleplaying?
Anyway, I'd say if you're not enjoying your skillset, and you can afford it, you might as well change. It is possible that some summit changes for warriors might be made in a few weeks or so, but we don't really know.
Unknown2006-06-05 15:35:10
Verithrax - the first reply in this thread was yours, and it was just bashing the poor guy who only asked for advice. If this is not trolling, I do not know what is.
Also, from this time on I shall not reply to RP nazi posts. I am sure they just boil in rage that some people might find fun in different things than they do.
Also, from this time on I shall not reply to RP nazi posts. I am sure they just boil in rage that some people might find fun in different things than they do.
Verithrax2006-06-05 15:49:11
My issue with it is how people change skillsets as soon as an envoy change happens to get the most overpowered skillset possible, and that's just idiotic. If you're not enjoying a skillset, fine, but don't change to something else because that's what's 'better' right now (Because eventually it won't be). Pick what is interesting and what matches your character. I'm sick of people treating Lusternia like 1) A PK Diku MUD where the game exists only for you to run around and kill people, 2) A low-grad MUSH where there's nothing to do but show off 'roleplay' by snuggling people or 3) A way of flailing your epenis around and inflate your own ego.
Because it's all three. Combined. Play holistically.
Because it's all three. Combined. Play holistically.
Daganev2006-06-05 16:14:32
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 5 2006, 07:56 AM) 294404
But about the bone crusher or blade master option, well the general agreement is that bone crushers are the best for burst afflictions/kills they aim to kill fast and quickly. Blademasters are more powerful in the long run that bone crushers due to their afflictions.
What this translates as is the following. If you do not have very fast, with very high precision weapons, and your race is not fast with high dexterity, go Blademaster. Basically as a bonecrusher, if your fight is lasting longer than 5 rounds you keep repeating the same thing untill your lucky and those 5 rounds work. If you can't kill fast as a bonecrusher, you can't kill.
Anisu2006-06-05 16:41:33
Blademaster because I find it more gallant of a fighting style (well that and I have a blademaster and I think it's pretty neat).
Richter2006-06-05 17:36:55
Going to disagree with Verithrax on this one. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to switch to something more powerful. He tried it IC, didn't like it, wanted something he was better at, or something he thought might be more powerful.
Actually, lots of things that I've done might be considered metagaming, from being a human at the start for the exp bonus (though, I do have lots of RP behind it), buying a cameo (or, "finding out I was a changeling"), or ditching totems and switching to hunting before I got booted from the Ebonguard.
Actually, lots of things that I've done might be considered metagaming, from being a human at the start for the exp bonus (though, I do have lots of RP behind it), buying a cameo (or, "finding out I was a changeling"), or ditching totems and switching to hunting before I got booted from the Ebonguard.
Terenas2006-06-05 19:09:57
Bonecrushers are brutish. Blademasters are more refined and elegant.
ferlas2006-06-05 19:56:41
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 5 2006, 05:14 PM) 294417
What this translates as is the following. If you do not have very fast, with very high precision weapons, and your race is not fast with high dexterity, go Blademaster. Basically as a bonecrusher, if your fight is lasting longer than 5 rounds you keep repeating the same thing untill your lucky and those 5 rounds work. If you can't kill fast as a bonecrusher, you can't kill.
Actually no daganev Im going to have to disagree Just a slight change to your post though
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What this translates as is the following. If you do not have very fast, with very high precision weapons, and your race is not fast with high dexterity, Don't bother even trying to fight as a warrior. Basically as a bonecrusher, if your fight is lasting longer than 5 rounds you keep repeating the same thing untill your lucky and those 5 rounds work. If you can't kill fast as a bonecrusher, you can't kill.
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But yea the rest is fairly accurate.
Daganev2006-06-05 20:01:59
blademasters can thoeretically kill with bleeding if they are really patient and the fight lasts a long time. Don't need super weapons to do that.
Terenas2006-06-05 20:04:30
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 5 2006, 08:01 PM) 294484
blademasters can thoeretically kill with bleeding if they are really patient and the fight lasts a long time. Don't need super weapons to do that.
Of course, theoretically I can also keep someone permanently-impaled and keep rending until the person bleeds out. In actuality, this method only worked for me against the same enemy once or twice until he finally catches on. Since you've probably never been a BM I don't think you know how hard it is to bleed someone to death.
Unknown2006-06-06 02:31:46
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 6 2006, 12:26 AM) 294404
Changing race isnt metagaming, metagaming is the use of ooc knowledge to help your charater.
And therefore changing race is metagaming. I have no idea why anyone would try to defend that which is so obviously untrue. There isn't much more that is a better example of meta-gaming, that changing race or class to improve one's abilities.
Now that we've got that out of the way...
The point is, that it doesn't matter.
This is a game, the objective is to have fun. If you are not having fun playing a particular character / race / skillset then you change. Find something that is fun. If playing an underpowered character against the odds is your kind of fun then do it. If maximising your character to be the best killing machine in the game is your kind of fun then do it. For most of us, it will be somewhere in between.
Just don't try to pretend that doing that is role-playing.
Once you have decided the character you want to play, then it is time to start role-playing.
ferlas2006-06-06 12:42:39
QUOTE(Razorvine @ Jun 6 2006, 03:31 AM) 294807
And therefore changing race is metagaming. I have no idea why anyone would try to defend that which is so obviously untrue. There isn't much more that is a better example of meta-gaming, that changing race or class to improve one's abilities.
Let me repeat myself sweety metagaming is the use of ooc knowledge to help your charater.
You didnt understand first of all so lets do it simply this time.
You know icly that a lets say for example a mugwump are poor warriors, you know this icly because mugwumps are obviously racially weak and weedly little people.
You know icly that lets say for example a tauraian could make a good warrior because thats what their race is all about icly, they are the big bad crazy warriors who get enrages and kick butt, they are big strong not so smart but you dont need that for a warrior.
You know all of this information icly.
Now for the next part sweety in case you didnt understand, you know icly that you can buy magic artifacts that will allow you to change your race. You can find out where they are you can go and icly buy this magic artifact.
Now the scene is set, your a weedy mugwump, you want to be a powerful warriors! Its your life dream! But you know you can't do it because your frail and weak. So you save up and buy a magic trinket and you become a taurian! Your now strong blah blah etc and you continue you life as a taurian warrior without ever having used any ooc knowledge to aid your charater, you have changed your race using all ic information.
It is not metagaming.
Unknown2006-06-06 13:22:14
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 6 2006, 08:42 AM) 294942
Let me repeat myself sweety...
Now for the next part sweety...
That said, if I ever made my main a warrior he'd be a blade master, it's a very elegant style of fighting.
Daganev2006-06-06 16:26:17
YOu know, there is a TV show called black and white, where people use hollywood makeup arists to change thier race, so they can see if its a "better" life or not?
Damn OOC tv shows! (IC being real life in this example)
Damn OOC tv shows! (IC being real life in this example)
Unknown2006-06-07 02:37:36
QUOTE(ferlas @ Jun 6 2006, 10:12 PM) 294942
Let me repeat myself sweety metagaming is the use of ooc knowledge to help your charater.
You didnt understand first of all so lets do it simply this time.
You know icly that a lets say for example a mugwump are poor warriors, you know this icly because mugwumps are obviously racially weak and weedly little people.
You know icly that lets say for example a tauraian could make a good warrior because thats what their race is all about icly, they are the big bad crazy warriors who get enrages and kick butt, they are big strong not so smart but you dont need that for a warrior.
You know all of this information icly.
Now for the next part sweety in case you didnt understand, you know icly that you can buy magic artifacts that will allow you to change your race. You can find out where they are you can go and icly buy this magic artifact.
Now the scene is set, your a weedy mugwump, you want to be a powerful warriors! Its your life dream! But you know you can't do it because your frail and weak. So you save up and buy a magic trinket and you become a taurian! Your now strong blah blah etc and you continue you life as a taurian warrior without ever having used any ooc knowledge to aid your charater, you have changed your race using all ic information.
It is not metagaming.
You are quite wrong.
Do you really believe that everyone that changes race goes through the above reasoning?
If so then you are quite deluded.
They think: I'm a bit bored with playing an axelord character, I wonder if it will be more fun to be an Aquamancer. I think I'll give it a try.
All your example shows is why reincarnation is an anti-roleplaying device.
And just to re-state, I'm not against this, I just think its rude to insult people's intelligence by pretending that its not metagaming.
And Wesmin, actually I love it when she calls me 'sweety'
Unknown2006-06-07 03:40:13
You're perfectly correct, Razorvine, but your argument doesn't even matter. In a commercial MUD that wishes to appeal to a wide audience, RP must often be sacrificed for 'fun'. With reincarnations, for example.
Shiri2006-06-07 03:49:25
That's what s/he's saying.
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The point is, that it doesn't matter.
This is a game, the objective is to have fun. If you are not having fun playing a particular character / race / skillset then you change. Find something that is fun. If playing an underpowered character against the odds is your kind of fun then do it. If maximising your character to be the best killing machine in the game is your kind of fun then do it. For most of us, it will be somewhere in between.
This is a game, the objective is to have fun. If you are not having fun playing a particular character / race / skillset then you change. Find something that is fun. If playing an underpowered character against the odds is your kind of fun then do it. If maximising your character to be the best killing machine in the game is your kind of fun then do it. For most of us, it will be somewhere in between.
Unknown2006-06-07 03:55:18
I can't be expected to read entire posts, Shiri.
Daganev2006-06-07 04:17:20
QUOTE(Razorvine @ Jun 6 2006, 07:37 PM) 295091
You are quite wrong.
Do you really believe that everyone that changes race goes through the above reasoning?
If so then you are quite deluded.
They think: I'm a bit bored with playing an axelord character, I wonder if it will be more fun to be an Aquamancer. I think I'll give it a try.
All your example shows is why reincarnation is an anti-roleplaying device.
And just to re-state, I'm not against this, I just think its rude to insult people's intelligence by pretending that its not metagaming.
And Wesmin, actually I love it when she calls me 'sweety'
That is called Gaming, not metagaming...
How many people in life do you know who never change thier mind?
OMG he was an investment banker, and now he is a feelance artist.. damn that Profession hopper!
Real men, stay in community college and don't transfer to harvard!
Unknown2006-06-07 04:32:04
I heard something that said that the average person will change jobs seven times in their lifetime.