First, let me say this is not an attempt how to tell anyone else how they should be or shouldn't be RPing.


I'd like to know what the differences philosophically between Serenwilde and Glomdoring are supposed to be, these days. Aside from the obvious - Glomdoring uses nifty purple Wyrd forest, Serenwilde uses calming green natural forest.

I'm really confused as to what fundamental differences in culture are supposed to exist between the two communes, and I'm starting to feel lost when it seems a lot of changes are favouring Glomdoring's redefinition of itself.

I'd prefer Glomdoring people only to answer, and I don't want ranting, snide comments, or belittling of anyone. I'm not trying to make any points, I just... I want to know how you guys feel Glomdoring and Serenwilde should be different. Maybe we're both wrong about each other.

Glomdoring dislikes Serenwilde because it is not Glomdoring. But not much. Hell, if Serenwilde stopped messing with them they'd likely be fine.

Serenwilde dislikes Glomdoring because it is 'tainted'

The end.

Guido, please don't post in this thread. You've given your opinion, thankyou.

As I said, aside from the fact Serenwilde doesn't like Wyrd, and Glomdoring uses it.

The only philosophical differences that I can really see is that the Serenwilde is willing to kidnap the fae and force them into servitude because the Serenwilde "knows better than they do."

Edit: I actually think I got a little too specific. The main difference seems to be that the Serenwilde hates the Wyrd. They even have Hart telling them that the Wyrd is non-nature and Faethorn does not exist, and so on. This is what leads to the death of fae knights, the kidnapping of Fae against their will, etc.

On the other hand, the Glomdoring doesn't really care about the Serenwilde forest. It's a forest, it's semi-okay. It'd be better wyrded, but that can wait, it's not really essential yet.

Sorry for telling the truth. I'll let you all blather for six pages until you're worn out and no one's learned a thing.

Actually, I misread read your post, I thought it was a sarcastic comment. My apologies.

Both forests are similar in that they both believe they are right. Serenwilde views Glomdoring as a threat to nature, because taint/wyrd whatever, in their eyes, is not "pure"nature, if they believe wyrd is nature at all. And when it comes to the Fae, they do what they have to do to, in their eyes keep the fae safe (and about kidnapping, the very way Glomdoring gets fae is binding them and capturing them, so both communes in fact kidnap fae). I'm afraid I can't speak much on specifics.

From playing as Ksilrinda, Glomdoring really doesn't have a problem with anyone UNLESS they do something to get them mad. Like Mag, for example, has pissed of Glom leaders because Mag's playing a "game" with us. They've been stealing fae, Daevos playing innocent, and quite a bit of other stuff. Right now, we aren't on good terms with Mag.

We'd be ok with Serenwilde if they'd leave us alone. We wouldn't care if they went to war with Celest or Mag, I think some people would be happy if the Wilde went to war with Celest. (I know I would! *player though, not character*)

Yes Glom doesn't like anything not Glom, that's just how Glom is. That's our RP, our mindset. Glom doesn't like the Wilde because what have they been doing? Raiding us. Not just Narsrim, though he does it quite a bit, there are others who do raid. (Dunno who, but I know others have..I just know!)

From having a character in Glomdoring, Magnagora, Celest, and Serenwilde, I feel that often times Glomdoring works together a lot more than Serenwilde. The same going to Mag against Celest. But that's just what I've seen or heard. Glomdoring...is really a very tightly knit place, even if sometimes just doesn't seem that way. We all go about our own ways, and that sort. When it really matters though, most of us strive to gain whatever goal it is that we are trying for.

umm.. Not sure if that's what you wanted or not. Just my input.

Actually, and for this comparison, i'm going to assume we're all fairly geeky and know at least a little about starwars, the differences between Glom and Seren are similar to those between the Sith and the Jedi.

Forgive me for this, but I was just watching Ep III, so its the first thing that popped into my mind.

Serenwilde is out to save everyone's souls. They believe they know what is best, and what they believe is the way it is, and there's nothing going to change that. They believe they have to protect nature, and that they are some sort of chosen people in terms of this.

Glomdoring, on the other hand, is very inwardly focused. They believe nature is fully capable of taking care of itself, and their forest is proof of that. It survived the Taint, and in fact only has grown stronger through using everything available. They don't care about what other people think is "right" or "true", as none of that matters in the end. Its all about the self and the quickest route to mastery.

Serenwilde prefers brute force, whereas Glomdoring is a more sublte force (they're nexus is growing in leaps and bounds due to the literary contests, for example)

Hart teaches the path of self-discovery. He preaches that no one can instruct you on how to find enlightenment except yourself--the course of your life is full of lessons. There is no quick way to knowledge, and the oldest are always the wisest.

Crow teaches the quick and easy path to enlightenment--simply know that you are already possessing of everything important, and you will need nothing else.

Moon is teacher of the multiple aspects of everything--from personality, to duty, to life. She encompasses a similar to Hart, in that to reach one stage, you must pass through another. Everything that lives must die. Everything that waxes must wane. There is no such thing as 'forever' and you can never count on anything to last.

Night, however, is a Mistress of Control. Where as Moon shows that you cannot fight the natural order of things, Night shows you how you can--whether it is cheating age, or bending the very rules of reality. Things with wings can fly? Bring down the sky. Blades slice cleanly through air? Drag them to a halt with the very shadows.

Basically, Serenwilde is given the symbols of the "right" path, of trudging along and learning with progress and time; They are older, they are wiser, and they have learned from their steps. Glomdoring, on the other hand, is about blocking out everything around them. The rules of the outside world don't matter, as only your own existance is fact, and everything else can be bent to your whim.

That's not how it works. Taking fae anywhere they don't want to go is kidnapping in their eyes, taking them where they want to go is not. If they mention Night, they want to go there. If they mention Moon, they want to go there. If they say Faethorn, they don't want to go anywhere. That's how the *fae themselves* see it, though Communes can see it otherwise if they want to I suppose.

I don't think Glomdoring really had any ideological differences with Serenwilde - none that get in the way anyway, I've never heard the aspects of Crow brought up in an argument. Their main point of conflict besides 'OMFG UR TAINTED' 'WTF NO WE'RE NOT!!' is treatment of the Fae.

That treatment of the fae is entirely BECAUSE of the "You are tainted!" "No we're not!" argument, by the way.

That's not necessarily true. Fae feel they HAVE to go to night, not that they want to. Fae that want to go to moon DO want to. Maeve has said otherwise, so perhaps otherwise is true some of the time, but it's pretty obvious that it's not the rule.

The differences between the Glomdoring and the Serenwilde are, in truth, fairly superficial. Both follow Nature Spirits, both (theoretically) understand that a Commune is better for the Basin than destructive Cities, both (theoretically) defend and aid the Fae and Faethorn against unjust capture, conversion, or death. There are certainly some differences of opinion as to the validity of some Spirits over others. Serenwilde obviously will take the word of Hart over that of Crow, but (most) people understand that Crow and Hart are indeed both Spirits. Im afraid that, in truth, the biggest difference between the two is Serenwilde's unending and unrelenting belief that the Glomdoring is Tainted, and is basically a 'little Magnagora' and Glomdoring dosen't like Serenwilde much because of that stance they have, but would be willing to put their differences aside for the time being for the betterment of the Basin, themselves, and to stymie the cities rampant growth.

As you say, Maeve has said that isn't true, and it seems to be reinforced by some individual fae. The ones who go to Moon seem to feel the same about it as do those who go to Night, its just their preference.

It's very simple: Glomdoring= Tainted. Serenwilde= not Tainted

If only the Wilde and Glom could come together and go "DOWN WITH THE CITIES!! RAWWR!" Everything would be just fine...

I would say the philisophical differences are the same as the philisophical differneces between Moon and Night, and Hart and Crow.

And thats pretty much it.

Viravain from the begining has always extended an invitation to Serenwilde.

The only other thing is what the definition of the Wyrd is.

And on that topic, I could go on for ages.

I would contrast this to say glomdoring and Celest, where there are bigger differnces, such as Celest caring about cosmic being and not paying attention to the teachings of the Great spirits.

But why do you have a question on this at all?

Nice to see my long post go to waste

Why can't he? What's wrong with being curious?

And Fallen, your post was smexy.