Well, we had that too, before combat advanced much. People didn't time demesnes and warriors were getting used to being totally different than other realms, so it wasn't that hard. I almost beat Visaeris with just a full entourage and moonburst, with no system, back when he was considered good.

There's a super old log floating around about mags running around their City dieing to a Rage coven, and then coming on and complaining about how overpowered it was.

inept ability >>> Five people with trans abilities

It's interesting how times change and people find out how to effectively counter skills. It will be interesting to see how Lusternian combat is in another year.

-nod nod-

I also find it fun to look at how the other realms all vary, even when they have mostly the same classes. We're a bit too different to do that with, but it's neat to see how time or a small difference between skills makes a huge gap.

Yea, I always get a good chuckle in real life when people whine and bitch about ridiculous things.

I just wish our Rage was like Imperian Cataclysm. World-wide all the time baby! That'd give 'em something to complain about!

It was awesome back then.

Well, in discussing with someone wiser than myself (though I still think wrong), I've had an epiphany.

The problem can be reduced very simply into what force each nation gets behind.

Celest - Light
Magnagora - Taint
Glomdoring - Wyrd
Serenwilde - ?

We used to be 'nature', but now Glomdoring is part of that, so its not our force anymore. We don't have a unifying concept to drive us. We are defined by the absence of Wyrd, that is all.

Serenwilde = good foresty?

Pure Great Spirits?

Hippies. Hippies are always the answer. You can be the nation of dirty, hairy, scantily-or-non clad rebels of society who are all for stimulation/"inspiration" and free love, and lots of it. Especially in public places. Or done in ways to somehow wind up mistelling it to a god. Severely drunken gods, who then push other gods to look and see, and laugh hysterically when you recoil from what you have just witnessed, and attempt to wash out your eyes with your margarita.

Yeah. Hippies.

Oh, come on. Society is the rebels here! We're the origionals

Anti-Civilization.

Farella set it up for you at the very end of the histories.

See, Glomdoring doesn't like the cities simply because they aren't Glomdoring. It doesn't really have to do with the horrors of Civilization. Nothing matters but Glomdoring, so the cities can do whatever they want, but they'd still look better as Glomdoring. So, Glomdoring might not like the cities themselves, but Serenwilde should hate the idea of the "Civilized" Age itself. Now, when I say should, I mean, that would be a perfect basis to unite you.

Civilization has been responsible for more fae going through severe trauma than Glomdoring could ever take credit for. And Civilization brought about the Glomdoring as well as are responsible for the loss of the Ackleberry.

At the point in history before Serenwilde closed in on itself, they were before all else anti-city. Farella wanted the cities to crumble, and then they could worry about healing Glomdoring.

Serenwilde, as the players have run it, seem to have flipped that around, and made Glomdoring the focus, and Cities the "Well, we'll get to you later."

So.. in my opinion.. you guys had a basis for unity.. but you threw it away to cuddle with Celest (and, to a degree, Magnagora before that)

Uh oh, someone wants to endanger our enchant supply. Can't have that.

Sarcasm aside, I totally agree.

You are spot on about Glomdoring's stance towards cities.

This is a great train of thought. The possibilities are really endless if Serenwilde were to return to that stance. I'd love to see how a truly anti-civilization Serenwilde would play out nowadays. There has GOT to be a way to take alchemy/enchantments out of the equation. Bring on the exorbitantly-priced neutral denizens at the Peak!

Viravain, I take back everything bad I've ever said about you. Furthermore, I hereby enshrine you within my signature - though, technically, my last signature was also a 'quote' of yours.

She's just bitter 'cos she wanted to be a hippy, and got stuck with Glom.

>.>

We can be anti-civilization all we like, we've been relatively anti-city all the time. We just made the mistake of focusing on reasons for that antagonism rather than blind, unreasoning hatred.

I don't think being unreasonable about why you dislike something is any more fun than disliking something that's the same as you. Glomdoring got the wyrd for a reason. Having reasons is not a mistake.

Really?

Celest has pulled a lot of crap, and Serenwilde has not ever really put into action an backlash for any of it as of late. You're all too willing to just "forgive and forget". Celest even flat out says that they're going to turn on you once is the Taint is eliminated.. now, OOCly, we know that won't ever happen, but ICly, you really shouldn't be letting Celestians run rampant around Faethorn because they currently don't take fae, when you know that, ICly, they plan too, and that the only reason they aren't is because they're afraid to stand without an ally.

So no, you chose blind, unreasoning friendship over hatred of any variety, reasonable or unreasonable.

I can't help but think that this post is based on a lot of mistaken assumptions. Celest DOESN'T flat out say that. It hasn't pulled nearly as much crap as Glomdoring and Magnagora has, and has helped us as well while neither of those two really have.

I disagree. Currently, our leadership are very Celest-friendly, but generally as a commune we try very hard to distance ourselves from Celest. I know I've tried many times to provoke the city into getting angsty with us, but its just not worth it in the end. Both Glomdoring and Magnagora actively harm us, while Celest actively helps us (much as we don't want them to). I know I personally tried to mend relationships with both Magnagora and Glomdoring so that I could try shaking up the default stance between Serenwilde and Celest, but it is far too difficult to do so, and losing access to enchantments/all other nation shops is painful.

Regardless, you have to realize that those reasons you are giving are far, far less compelling than those against the other two orgs, who are actually hurting us in the present. I know that Glomdoring would like to see Serenwilde completely anti-city and without any interest in Glomdoring at all, but it just isn't reasonable.

Again, I don't see a driving force behind Serenwilde. Anti-civilization would be nice if we had compelling reasons to be against civilization and not anything else... but it just isn't there. It also really isn't fair to continually push Serenwilde/Glom together, I don't know of any other two organizations that have had as much administrative forcing into alliances.