There are reasons though. Magnagora for the obvious hostilities, and them being tainted, for sure . Them tainting fae. And Celest, well, you've got components in both orgs trying to break up the shaky alliance, how many times has Raziela or whatnot asked for fae? Didn't she ask for fae during the whole Song event? And even though Celest put the kabash on that, isn't it still a little unsettling?

Sure, Glomdoring and Serenwilde have beefs with eachother too, and a lot of them have been addressed, and have lessened, but I don't think the administration is pushing them towards alliance, more just giving Glomdoring some validation. If they wanted them to be allies, they would have just had Viravain slowly cleanse the forest the safe way, and we'd all be happy and lalala and Gwyllgi would be a puppy, and Lhiannan a Forestal Virgin-Nun.


The way I see it is, Glomdoring had an RP, but mechanics didn't quite authenticate it. It was just kind of silly being WE ARENT TAINTED, and there on survey, and then saying WE DONT KILL THE FAE, well wait you actually do to get them. It was necessary stuff in my opinion.

Since I edited on the previous page, let me repost:

I want to point out an anti-city slant is just another attempt to base ourselves on opposition to something else, defining ourselves by what we view negatively rather than grounding our philosophy on something positive. It doesn't solve any problems.

Astraea, the mechanics were fine UNTIL Glomdoring started saying how they weren't tainted, and getting upset over killing fae. It may have been necessary when you couldn't defend yourselves and didn't want opposition to any of the other orgs, but you guys are certainly NOT defenceless now. You have a lot of high-class combatants, and many more defenders quantitatively than you used to have.

But yes, what is Serenwilde for? We've tried anti-taint, we've tried anti-unnatural, we've tried anti-city to a limited extent, but where is some positive force that we can get behind that will unify us? We don't have the positive concept we once did - Nature, the natural life and death cycles, a reverence of fae, etc.

I would argue that Serenwilde DOES have such a thing. The "Old Ways." We are the last of the Communes that still could argue that we follow the ways and causes of our ancestors. The cities clearly don't, since the first settlements in the Basin were the Communes, which the city folk moved away from. Glomdoring can't claim that, because they are all about evolution and adaption.

Why can't we be about the way things once were, and the way things should be?

I suppose that could work. We haven't tried following that idea at all yet, maybe it has some potential. It will be somewhat annoying to play the backward hillbillies who can't accept change... but I suppose it's better than nothing.

Well... before the Taint wars the purpose of the nature communes was restoring the Basin of Life, though the histories aren't too clear as to what they meant. Healing the Fae, cleansing this and that, strengthening and generally restoring it to its healthiness prior to the Vernal Wars. Could anything be built on top of that?

That would be nice. We can't really do a whole lot about that. I've always had to just roleplay that as "well, the Taint is Soulless poison as well, plus it's spawning crazies that attack us and won't let us cleanse their city/forest, so we can't get back to the other healing for the time being."

Quite honesty, if you step back and think about it (IC or OOC), the Taint ISN'T stiffling life. It's an abomination, sure, but it isn't hindering in any way the growth of the people of the Basin.

Outside the Basin, life clearly isn't existing. If we are trying to heal the world of the ravages of the Soulless, why focus on the Taint and the Wyrd, which, though horrible byproducts of the Soulless, aren't really doing direct harm right now? The taint hasn't spread significantly in many years anyway. We could do more good outside the Basin right now.

... providing we have the Admin support to not shut us down when we try.

Yay for hillbillies!

Just the good ol' boys,
Never meanin' no harm,
Beats all you've ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.

Straight'nin' the curve,
Flat'nin' the hills.
Someday the moutain might get 'em, but the law never will.

Makin' their way,
The only way they know how,
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.

Just good ol' boys,
Wouldn't change if they could,
Fightin' the system like a true modern day Robin Hood.

I demand Guido change that song into Serenwilde's new theme song for Seren hillbillies! He has such talent with satire.

Of course they're doing significant harm right now, they're killing our guys!

And we come back, your point?

Even if you can't do a lot with it, it's one of my characters main drives; I find that's why he has a defensive mindset. It grows out of the fact that he views himself as being given the charge of protecting the last Great Tree, the last thing that is still trying to heal the first world. Elcyrion was bringing up some interesting views in His short time in Lusternia, and His experiments seemed to concentrate on preparing the first world for possible future attacks by the Soulless... but that didn't get to go far. Lisaera and Her brother had some nifty Serenwilde RP planed to stretch out slowly, but that didn't get to go far either.

I guess we all need to remind ourselves that we are all part of a work in progress, and that things are not completed, so we should not expect them to be in a final state as they are now. So 'strict organizational RP' celest is this, glom is that, ect, ect, will not last. I find it interesting that over the course of the game Serenwilde's feelings towards various other organizations have changed, but it is not those feelings, which define a nation, it is what their purpose is.

Purpose, Ha! We live in a world without means to accomplish our purpose, at least yet, as it's all an unfolding story woven for us by our beloved gods. It is not the ending that we should seek, but the experiences on the road toward that ending.

What can we do with the time we have in this world? That is what we should ask ourselves. That point has been brought very close to my heart in this time when my character, and I on some level, are both suffering very much (again) from the detachment of a great part of his unfolding story. However, it shall be a means to an end, and he shall move on to other things.

That's not really a good justification for not caring about them...

Better yet, since we know there's life outside the basin (the trill hunters and other guy who came when they introduced hunting/tracking/ecology were all from outside the basin, right?), we should try to mount an expidtion outside of the basin, and see if we can find other people...

Playing people who are sticking to the old ways and adverse to change doesn't make us backward hillbillies, unless you still agree with the old view of non-civilized savages who have no hope of being anything but stupid beasts. We're not any worse off then the cities, just different.