So? My friend drives a Honda Civic. I don't like Honda Civics, do i go beat the shitake mushrooms out of him because of it?

As far as I know, neither of them announced in advance what they were trying to do. Soo...somewhere along the lines, Isune stopped seeing taint in everything, Viravain starting seeing the taint again, both liked Glomdoring, so both decided to take care of what was left of the taint in the commune...Isune wanted pretty and pure, Viravain wanted powerful, both wanted no taint.

heh heh heh..

and then there were the French... once our great buddies.. and now the butt of a very large number of jokes.

All you have to do is say their name...

The French... heh heh.. see? You can't help but chuckle.

But does your friend's honda civic poison your childen, and future generations with anthrax?

Not with anthrax. With smog. Which is quite certainly more dangerous than the wyrd!

Yes.. damn hybrids.


I should log in and point out the post of the wyrding event, its very telling if you read into it.

Viravain could not see any taint, Isune could only see taint. Estarra suggested that they see the world through eachother's eyes. Viravain goes into the Seal of Justice and does something strange which opens up the pillars of Justice (aka public laws about each place).. Viravain becomes sneaky and takes control of Isune's body, posing as Isune. (sometimes Isune shined through, its hard to tell when exactly and what was deciet).

Viravain uses Isune and creates/cleanses/transforms the forest of Glomdoring, the Wyrdling, Night, and Crow, to create the Wyrd and the Fae shout about a new age.

But thats what I gathered from the conversations I had with Viravain, Isune, Estarra, and what I read in the event post. It was all rather complicated as it was very prolonged.

Serenwilde is overpopulated: Yes, and no. It doesn't really have too many people, but it has too many ideas. Tsuki, in speaking with new and prospective-new Serens, has actually tried for awhile to be cautionary and even discouraging to those who are vague, ambivalent, and snugglers. Both she and I would appreciate if those who don't like and instead feel sympathetic towards would simply pack up and move to aforementioned other organization. But, to blatantly say so doesn't really fit ICly, so I can only subtlely encourage. This ties in with the next thought ...

Serenwilde is internally divided: Yes. On whatever issue, regardless of official or overall statements or reasoning, there will be those who agree, those who vehemently disagree, and those who don't care even when they should. Divisions and apathy are prevalent and impede depth, change, and growth. We don't know why we're together other than the history that we have been. We also seem to hear little in the ways of guidance or interaction between guiding forces and their views of each other. Note I said "seem" ... we might be getting some of this, but then our problem is also lack of communication.

... and can you imagine the times I've thought fondly on what I've heard of other areas laying the smack down on dissenting opinions and general idiocy? I even think I'd learn to fight if I could kill idiots. As it is, I have to attempt to explain things to them patiently, sometimes talking to a person I've spoken to before about a different aspect that wasn't explicitly covered (heaven forbid anyone would employ a bit of thought and common sense), and fall back on ousting them if it gets to be too impossibly extremely stubborn and against things. Usually, they don't do me the favour of being so clear, though.

My most recent occurance of this was just recently. Shall I share some of the ending?

QUOTE

You tell Moondancer, "Ah, so you would violate the spirit, if not the letter?"

Moondancer tells you, "I don't violate anything. I bend it to the breaking point, but I don't violate it."

You tell Moondancer, "This is your warning, then, to be careful of how much you bend and why. Bend too much, and you'll end up moving yourself outside of the Coven."

Moondancer tells you, "So you would throw me out for no good reason? I would not have broken any rules of the Covenant."

You tell Moondancer, "I've outguilded folk before. And your definition of for no good reason is not in keeping with my own. If you would be a Moondancer, reflect on what that means and -be- a Moondancer."

Moondancer tells you, "Yes. You focus on your ability to outguild me, and I'll focus on my ability to be the best moondancer I possibly can."

And that was within the guild, a guild member talking to his/her guildmaster. I've lost track of similar occurances. Let's not even start considering what it'd be like if it was a commune member from another guild instead, and we tend to just inform the other guilds of guild members acting out of line if needed, rather than getting cross-guild-disciplinary. Unless it's very obvious. It gets ... tiring.

Hurray for diverging thoughts and discussions, but certain Serenwilders don't seem to remember other things as accepted fact when they try to do so.

Look, it's a one act play!
PersonA: "X isn't bad because you're all mean to think so! And I know an individual of X who's really nice!"
PersonB: "Except ... X actually is bad for at least the following reasons, did you forget that?"
PersonA: "You're just being prejudiced and mean! There's no harm in So-and-so."
PersonB: "If So-and-so matters to you so much more than the commune, perhaps you should think on what that means ..."
PersonA: "B-but ... but I love the Serenwilde. And I don't want to lose my guild skills. You're all just horrible and mean so I'm going to keep saying so."
The end.


Edit: Hmm, and look at this post, and the Elcyrion quote in my signature. Fit together nicely, they do.

I cannot be happy in Glomdoring untill I understand the concept of Wyrd

I am happy in Celest because I know where Celest stands. Light, justice and cleansing the Taint, because we see the danger of the taint. In fact, my character has theorized about if Kethuru is set loose again with more power he could control the taint and everything that is tainted, including the Viscanti and Magnagorans.

I enjoy Magnagora because I know where they stand. Transformation for the better of the world. They see the taint as a tool to transform and evolve everything.

I do not enjoy Serenwilde because I know where they stand. They hate cities, they are pro nature and believe that in the end Nature will be standing triumphant. I think it's bland and I don't enjoy playing as a Serenwilde

I do not enjoy Glomdoring because I don't know where the hell they stand. I mean, I know what they stand for, but not what they ARE. Are they Tainted? Are they Wyrded? Are they Estarra's joke on the Basin? Are they Murphy from a future where the only thing left in the universe is him and a cockroach and due to the high concentration in their masses they fuse and become the wyrd and manage to travel back in time and prevent Richter from taking over the world?!!?!?!?!?!?!

I wish I was around for that and Champion, Tsuki, I would have stood for that kind of disrespect for the GM. You should have outguilded him for his tone.

The Wyrd is only really relevant to people outside glomdoring, in Glomdoring, you are a member of Glomdoring, nothing more, nothing less.

It just so happens that the Wyrd means "Something that changes the fates" and so, ever since the Wyrd, fate has been changed.

Imagine Serenwilde, but with dark green leaves instead of bright green leaves.

Don't worry, other things came up with regards to the individual and it's been dealt with.

It was also in tells, not in public, near the end of a longer conversation that I started to express concern over something that slipped. If it'd been public or over something more substantial, I would've done more.

As is, though, the overall environment of the commune and guild isn't as much for that. The little things are just around a lot without much we do against them. Maybe that's where we go wrong.

I meant enjoy as in ME, Corinthian, the mexican guy who likes MUDs and has to wake up in 6 hours. my little dark faeling could care less about Wyrd or Serenwilde or even hearing something about "outside Glomdoring"(What? There's something OUTSIDE of Glomdoring?)

Tell Tuek about those sort of things. He'll whip them in to shape.

The more you tighten your grip, the more they will slip through your fingers...

It could be simply be a matter of faith.

Serenwilde has been, on a whole, a bastion for Goddess Lisaera, while Glomdoring has been, on a whole, a bastion for Goddess Viravain.

I am sorry to say this but sometimes, all the talk of philosophical differences between societies is used as pretext to indulge in preconceived hate. That is to say, it is not "I hate him because he believe so and so," but it could be, "I hate him . Now let me find what things about him that can justify my hate." I am still reflecting whether it applies to this IC matter.

Regardless, here now, I will try as best I can, as I have come to feel it, to tie faith and hate and history to explain Serenwilde and Glomdoring.

There was a time when Goddess Viravain was beloved by many, predominately from Serenwilde. Then the Threat of Kethuru, and Goddess Viravain's...change... many in Serenwilde felt betrayed. Her change. Her leaving. The promise of Gloriana denied (or rather Serenwilde's wish for Gloriana denied). The migration of many members from Serenwilde commune to Glomdoring. Night and Crow now having ready followers. Serenwilde must have felt betrayed, hurt. And you will grow to hate that which has hurt you. There is no second chance for a first meeting. Serenwilde's immediate hostilities with Glomdoring (with good reasons) and new Glomdoring basking in that hate returning it in kind, planted black seeds on fertile ground. Subsequent actions after, such as the cordial relationship between Magnagora and Glomdoring early on, and the constant rivalry between followers of Night and followers of Moon over the ethereal plane, did not help.

Today the black seeds of hate, nurtured since the beginning, have grown into a beautiful tree bearing poisoned fruits. People from Serenwilde and Glomdoring shall bring these fruits home, because they have always done so, and it shall always be. It is unfortunate but until you have cultivated yourself to become 'a realized person' or 'a noble minded', we will always have a need to hate. (As for me, I hate anything with too much cheese! That and gravediggers... gravediggers...) The line between 'us and them' helps define self identity. Philosophical differences aside, Serenwilde and Glomdoring will always dance a dance of contrast because of the inherent need to be unique, to be different. Until a greater evil present itself that would focus both hate to.

Yet all of this began with Goddess Viravain's... change. And Glomdoring's esteem of Her ever since. I am theorizing here but if ever Glomdoring Commune were to reject Goddess Viravain, the relationship between Serenwilde and Glomdoring would dynamically increase for the better. (Not sure of Serenwilde, as a whole, feelings on Elder God Shikari. Also not sure whether the reverse, Serenwilde were to reject Goddess Lisaera, would have the same effect.) Of course, fates favoured, that shall never happen. Goddess Lisaera to Serenwilde. Goddess Viravain to Glomdoring. All is right with the world. Thus Serenwilde and Glomdoring's need to articulate differences in order to hate each other.

In the end then, it began in the beginning. Serenwilde's love for Goddess Viravain then and Glomdoring's love for Goddess Viravain now. A matter of faith?

(*chuckle* Really sorry to have rambled like this. Azman of the forums like to that sometimes, especially if it is about japanese anime. Azman IC would have quietly listened in on the discussion, reflected with himself then pass by. )

And the next question is, if they're going to make us feel we need to tighten our grip, do we really want to hang onto them anyway? I've been asking myself that for ... quite awhile. Haven't given myself a definite overall answer of 'no' yet, as I remain hopeful. Individual answers for individual circumstances, I've done. But ... there's still the hope.

Since nothing has been said about Glomdoring and Serenwilde in this thread that hasn't been rehashed umpteen times before, I'll just reply to the things said about Lisaera.

Lisaera wasn't helping pre-possession Viravain cleanse the Glomdoring per se, She was simply making sure no one tried to harm Viravain or interrupt the cleansing of each location at a time. When the whole Seal of Nature thing happened and started to go wrong, She called Estarra. All in all, Lisaera directly meddled fairly little in that whole plotline. Just as a matter of nostalgic amusement, the peaced room that had Magnagora up in arms all over the forums during that time was not actually done by me at all - a fact that amused me no end as I was getting slandered and accused of all sorts of things for days.

Another thing couple of things said and linked were that Lisaera doesn't mind cities and that She "snuggled" with Hajamin occasionally. Both of these are ludicrous, as Lisaera has disliked cities from the moment I made Her (it's even in Her help file) and has demonstrated that repeatedly over the life of the game, notably and recently with the flooding of Celest. The other, that She "snuggled" Hajamin is also nonsense, though I can see where it comes from as Hajamin was deliberately played to be somewhat adoring of Lisaera, but it was never returned by Her.

Finally, the idea that Serenwilde's ideals revolve entirely around Lisaera is just insane, because even at the height of Her power in the commune, She would have been hard pressed to do that passively all the time, and this certainly is not the height of Her power. What's more, I barely have time to interact with Lisaera's own Order these days, due to my many, many OOC responsibilities, never mind be issuing decrees and making speeches to Serenwilde as a whole.

The only thing I can see in this thread regarding my character that I actually agree with is that it is a shame Auseklis left, and His differing philosophies couldn't be explored - we had a lot of plans for that sort of thing, and were both disappointed we couldn't follow through on them.

I really like everything Fallen's said in this thread, but this is especially relevant:



That's always been my guess about how Glomdoring's current RP developed: it's hard to play the Forest Without Mercy when the nice, isolationist commune across the road just can't get enough of kicking you when you're down. When you're in a disadvantaged position, you go the diplomatic route, trying to win the things that matter (e.g. the fae) peacefully, and trying to convince your enemies that you aren't all that very different from them: you try to reduce opposition. So Glomdoring tended towards the neutral and inwardly-focused because Serenwilde tended towards the extreme and expansionistic.

I love Glomdoring to pieces and think it has an extremely rich internal culture, but I was expecting darker RP when I signed up and hope that, as the "military" and political odds even out, we'll eventually go in that direction. It's disappointing to hear Xenthos say OOC that we really do respect the wishes of the fae: I was really hoping that that was being done for propaganda value. Maybe I'm in the minority, but my idea of a good time is playing a character who enslaves fae and imposes her beliefs on Nature and feels very justified in doing so.

Thats the most accurate statement really.

Glomdoring at the moment attempts to avoid any conflict as they feel they are unable to deal with the concquences, Its like how celest and serenwilde used to work togeter a lot because they are worried they can't deal with it.