Shiri and I totally settled down and had a rather lengthy debate about that - Determining whether or not Glom could be termed Tainted OOC, or IC, and why or why not that is. Eventually, we came to the conclusion that Lusty being a text game as it is, there is no definitive "feeling" that the Wyrd can posess that would allow us to say for certain if it's taint. That being, it's left up to us to decide, and with character biases and all this happy logic/sans-logic thinking that's hurtling around, it may never actually reach conclusion. Thus, we're stuck in this nice little quagmire of uncertaintly until some larger event comes along to shake our focus, i.e. Forest vs. City warfare or outright Admin intervention, which may in itself not happen...

Personally, I get a kick out of not being able to "Define" Glomdoring

Sylphas just wants Serenwilde to prosper, come what may. I'm actually not too sure he'll not be kicked from the commune at some point for something silly, especially as often as Ethereal is reworked.

As long as he's Crow and not Raven and Night is still icky-like, Vix will see Glomdoring as tainted. Even bonding to Night says it's tainted.

No, it just says something about it being odd-feeling, doesn't it?

No it doesn't. Look again.

I'd say it's like meritocracy/communism, not capitalism.
Meritocracy-the harder you work, the more you get, if you don't work you don't get anything.
Whereas in capitalism people who can work do and don't get anything, or people who can work don't and get allot of money.

And I like your comparison to the Kudzu plant, that's just like grape vines up here, which is kindof what my view of the Wyrd was before I saw that. Oi, crazy.

The concept behind capitalism is that competition brings out the best.

Two companies compete, only the better one will survive, and if you survive it means you are doing well/better than those that arn't.


i.e. Fighting is good for you, cause it makes everybody stronger.

Let's not turn this into an argument about capitalism, there is way more to it than survival of the group who can make the most money by exploiting resources more efficiently .

Pleh, fine. Ignore that last statement. I haven't logged on in about two months.

I apologize in advance if I end up repeating anyone's words here.... but I can't be arsed to look through the whole thread.

However, Narses disliked Serenwilde for a couple of reasons:

1- Many Druids fled the Gloriana when the taint began to spread, the centaurs for instance originated in the Gloriana but fled to Serenwilde( I am quite positive I read it in some history scroll, I can no longer remember the exact location, sorry). as Narses saw it, only the truly faithful remained behind to ward off the taint and fell... He felt as though Serenwilde stuck a knife in Glomdoring's back because they raised their own defenses... seeking to preserve themselves rather than aid a forest who was much closer to Magnagora.

2- Narses always thought Serenwilders as ones that in their attempts to preserve, they forgot that destruction was also a part of nature- a part that encourages re-growth and strengthening. Natural selection and evolution, as he sees it, are deliberately rooted out in Serenwilde.... out of fear they clutch and preserve, but in the long run, they don't allow nature to do what its best at, endure and grow stronger.

3- beyond the effects destruction has on nature, he always felt at though their whole concept was based on the peaceful, nurturing side of nature... thus basicly ignoring nature's defense system... he believed Glomdoring embodied the vengeful side of nature, that which strikes back. If Serenwilde was a flower, Glomdoring was a spider.


Just a couple of thoughts anyways. to Narses, those were the major differences... he called the product of that evolution I reffered to as "Wyrd".

cheers

Whee, my IDEA went through! Tsuki might have to spiritbond Night again just so I can see that ... she hasn't since somewhere relatively soon after the Wyrd when she thought to check.


Gotta love the perceptions, sometimes.

We don't have strong inter-guild things regarding the Spirits but in reference to Moon at least, it's all about cycles. Cycles especially of life, death, into rebirth. That's the natural selection and evolution aspect there. The preservation and nurturing bit is so that natural selection is natural, not affected. Glomdoring's natural selection is like putting a mouse and a snake in a tank, then zapping the mouse so its eyes start glowing red and rabid and its teeth are fangs. Whee, natural selection means the mouse wins! In Serenwilde's natural selection, no zapping of the mouse, and the snake has dinner.

There's also the unfortunate perception, inside and outside of the Serenwilde, about the snuggliness. A misconception of the overall attitude which only encourages the problem when it pops up in the new and the few ("Where's the snuggliness? Oh, Serenwilde's the snuggly ones? Okay, I'll go be snuggly there!" NO - get thee gone, spawn of snuggles, back to the abyss!).

Those are READ?!

Point one is perfectly and utterly true sweety, Point two and three is personal preference you could just as easily pull the ZOMG GLOMDORING IS TAINTED lets kill it with that personal preference route which basically seems to be what happened.

Not entirely sure what you're talking about here. I assume you mean in the histories, but whose defences are you talking about being raised? I'm kind of confused.



I'm just curious, where did you get this idea from? Or did you not intend to have the opinion based in fact? Funny thing is, I normally hear the opinion that Glomdoring is more peaceful and Serenwilde is the bloodthirsty warmongering forest of the two.

Well according to the histories basically ackelberry ran off and disconected themselves from the basin. Glomdoring built up their defensces to fight the taint and got wasted by the big taint spore thingy majiger and serenwilde prepared to disconect themselves and run off like ackleberry did.

Aye, though best debated in game Narses, points 2 and 3 would be quite clearly considered incorrect from a Serenwilde view. We're happy with destruction, death and so on as long as it is part of the natural cycle of things.

When it first came out, I was expecting that Serenwilde would be content to let the natural world grow and die without excessive interference, while Glomdoring would rather make the flora and fauna more powerful and useful by modifying it - the undeath, taint, twisting etc. Obviously, it was decided not to go with that route, and as I said now Glomdoring shares most of Serenwilde's beliefs.

Oh yea I agree points 2 and 3 are all personal and really when your taking it that way you can take it anyway, but point one it just true pretty much.

Well, Ackleberry was as close to Magnagora as Gloriana... and I don't think either of the two communes sent foreign druids/wiccans to aid them.

It's a pretty nice interpretation to take in character, I quite like it. But its not so much objective truth as a good way of looking at the event. I think in reality all communes tried to raise their own defences.

Perhaps Glomdoring, while indeed sharing the Serenwilde's beliefs that the natural cycle of things is all well and good, believes that it IS the next step in that cycle? That the Wyrd is not an abomination of life and all that is natural, but is instead merely a continuation of the neverending cycle to more glorious levels than were previously attainable? So really, Glomdoring and Serenwilde kind of ARE like how you were hoping things would work out, just Glomdoring is a bit more subtle that might have been hoped for. Which was somewhat required, as them busting out full throtle from the gate would have lead to even more complete decimation on a daily level.

Of course, that is all simply my opinion. It may be horribly, horribly misled and have no basis in any reality beyond that constructed in my own head. But it sounds neat!

Oh yes I assume most communes sent or didnt send different political representives to the cites and other communes but in the end of the historyes ackleberry just ran off or they died, serenwilde prepared to run away and left celest to die and glomdoring prepared to fight for its homeland and got its ass kicked. Which is the point of point 1 I thought.(well not glomdoring getting its ass kicked but the intent, serenwilde/ackelberry running off and glomdoring staying to fight)