Auric in Healing (50% Fabled) cures it as well.

That's a skill, not a cure.

Having verified it with a Dreamweaving Merian, pierce was about 1 second, and flinging a mote is about .7-.8 seconds. He said, "If you ate reishi instantly.", "I could throw 3 motes at you before the delay cured it."




Sorry, but you just cannot use the constant blackout argument from Celestine Symbols as an argument. So far, no combatants have got that symbol. I believe Sheia is working towards it, but if she ever becomes a major combatant the guild and its views will force her to get rid of it. There's no way a Razielan Symbol will hit mainstream combat. It would be nice for that complaint to stop; it's really not valid.

hmm, are you sure it's so fast? I think pierce always was around 3 seconds for me as a Mugwump...


Yeah, well, the possibility is there, RP can change and all that. And I wouldn't know how the guild would force the GM to do anything. I can remember you raiding Dairuchi, for example.

Numbers are from what I've seen and been told.

I don't think Raziela's concept of "love and compassion" is going to change. It might be nice if it did, but I seriously doubt it will. If the GM suddenly started using the Razielan Symbol in mass-combat, I'm very sure the guild would say: Reconsider who you're deepbonded to. You can't be a large-scale fighter and be bonded to Raziela.


Even I don't remember raiding Dairuchi.

eh?

'Cure me auric' will do the same thing as rieshi for punctured aura

Yeah, but that's a skill in Healing, not a cure that everyone can access.

Compassion can be bringing death to the tainted.

And it was You, Amaru, Thoros, Malicia and I think Mitch or someone, not exactly sure...poor faeling me tumbled around like crazy. I got suspect on a lot of you now, though.

I've been reading up on the loving radiance, she's the snugglest thing in this basin (bordering on Syntobis), even toward the tainted, I believe that's why none of the other supernals defend her. She'd rather fall temporarily then see -anyone- else hurt trying to help her. So ya, I can see why that would conflict with someone using it to mass-slaughter.

Though, that would not stop someone from getting the symbol and then quitting the celestines, and abusing it.

Celestines have access to healing, so you could access it, if you wanted to.

And yes, I know having healing instead of affliction based skills completely kills guardian/wiccan offence... believe me, I know.

Ah so it takes longer than I thought, Still the point stands out of demense its useful but it isnt overpowered. You pierce and throw a blackout mote and you get in 2 afflictions hidden if they don't shield or hinder during the blackout. Not that amazingly powerful really and easy to cope with. In demense is the problem passive blackout in anyway Is to much, I find the vapors affliction in combination with a guardians afflictions worse than anything a dream weaver could do especially considering the instakills. Then you can add on active and passive blackout and its just insane, You cant really say theres an overpowered skill but its ok because no one uses it, people were saying that about sap.

I don't have timestamps on my logs, but I know that when I tested with another Dreamweaver, a faeling could get off one mote before the punctured aura healed, and a mugwump could get off no more than two.

EDIT: And Ferlas is right. There's not much that a Dreamweaving druid can do to you actively that would be a problem in blackout. (The other Dreamweaving afflictions, for instance, are few and not exactly scary.)

EDIT: Basically what I was saying is its overpowered you cant defend it and say its ok based on the fact that no ones using it yet.

AH fair enough two isnt that great at all, thats pierce blackout one affliction

Nope, try pierce, blackout, and that's it for everyone but a mugwump. Between active and passive blackout, you can probably work at keeping people blacked out constantly... but you're not doing much of anything else then. It doesn't strike me as the most viable combat tactic.

I'll do some further tests, then. My point still stands though, that just being able to give that long a blackout is insane.

Well, in a Geo/Aqua demesne it wouldn't be bad. In a druiddemesne, you don't catch any afflictions at all after getting hit by it, nor do you see if you are sapped etc. It IS damn good.

A Mugwump's puncture and woven motes, with apologies for the lack of timestamps:





Er, if you get sapped while in blackout, don't you still see the "sticky sap slowing your actions" messages? I'm very ashamed that I don't know this, but I don't often fight dreamweaving druids.

No it isnt, not when you cant back it up with any afflictions. Its an active blackout and mages have nothing to take advantage of it, they would have to pierce again to get any afflictions in and you can cure blackout. Passive vapors from an angel is far far more powerful than a dreamweaver blackout out of demense if they can only pierce and throw a blackout.



Bingo it sounds pretty useless if you can only pierce blackout, you would have to have the ability to throw some good afflictions in which mages cant do really.



You do but as has been pointed out even a second slight dely is deadly when fighting sap, it has a tiny margin of curing and is quite easy to stick, even if the blackout only delays the curing for a second a good druid can use that to keep you sap/webed perm.

You don't get it during the blackout, at least from what I can remember. Even if you did, you wouldn't notice being paralysed/webbed/the other things which hinder curing, so you first try to cleanse normally, then you get the message of being paralysed, then you focus body, cleanse again, then you get the message of being webbed and so on...really, sapped while blackout IS nasty.

Blackout is never, ever, useless. 1v1 combat rarely happens in Lusternia, and it's in group combat that the blackout is insane, and you're even admitting it can happen. The mage can keep someone permanently blacked out, even if he/she does nothing else. The rest of the group can attack without him/her seeing these attacks, knowing their health, knowing what afflictions they're getting, knowing if they're on/off bal/eq. Blackout is very powerful.

Nope, you see if you are off balance, off equi. You don't see yourself doing the attack, but you see the "You don't have equi/balance" message.