They already have an equivalent. It's one of your invested powers.

They took away our equivalent to beckon because it was too powerful. Actually in cities the Mages had a summon and the Guardians had a beckon, whereas in Serenwilde it was reversed... Druids had sort of a beckon (pathtwist) and we got the summon. They need to change wisps into beckon since the summon aspect was too powerful.

Not for Celestines. . . .

Oh? Only Nihilists get dominate or whatever it is? Hmm... didn't know that.. well you get kneel or whatever and Nihilists don't right? It's fair. I doubt you'd use the investable power if you had it anyway.

Yah.. except kneel is awful. 1.5 second stun.

And it wouldn't have to be investible - symbols mean that Nihilists could use it whenever they like, as an ability. Maybe even using the demon to strip deafness right before.

I thought you used it quite often.

I declare this thread officially derailed. *self-congratulate*






What are symbols anyway? It was something added recently while I was gone, and never caught what it was? Something involving an "epic" quest right?

Its a symbol that allows you to either do damage or use one of the investable powers of a single Demon Lord. So, you'd get a symbol of Luciphage and be able to afflict with his investable powers without the demon.

Can you only afflict with one affliction at a time with Symbols?

Yeah. Just one. Or the damage. Not both. And the damage-type is magic, and weak against players. Meant for bashing.

Still awesome.

Allows Nihilists to give three targetted afflictions (symbol + scourged demon) and one random (tail) immeadiately at the start of a fight. Makes guardians much more viable and appealing IMO.

Fixed! No need to thank me.

Just because warriors suck doesn't make the other classes instantly overpowered, kthx.

Ok, so... first the set up was changed so villages can be peaced which only happens when they are under a conjunction while some villages always/never perform the right, then it was changed because Serenwilde had nearly every village so we have two villages revolting at the same time...

Now before you make claims like your last one could you take a look at politics

***********************CURRENT POLITICS IN LUSTERNIA***********************

Cultural Center: The Forest of Glomdoring

Stewartsville: The Collective of Serenwilde
Estelbar: The Collective of Serenwilde
Acknor: The Dominion of Magnagora
Delport: The Holy Principality of New Celest
Rockholm: The Collective of Serenwilde
Southgard: The Holy Principality of New Celest
Angkrag: The Dominion of Magnagora
Dairuchi: The Dominion of Magnagora
Paavik: The Dominion of Magnagora
Shanthmark: The Collective of Serenwilde

For specifics on a city or commune, see POLITICS .
For specifics on a village, see POLITICS .
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So the culture thing you mentioned is in Glomdorings favour and Serenwilde has the same ammount of Villages as Magnagora.

And if the things I've been hearing in-game are true, Glomdoring wouldn't stand much of a chance in non-peaced influencing. And I would like to hear your reasons why Glomdoring deserves villages? Especially after Serenwilde had a tough win in Shanth.

Your post is really confusing to me, the four points presented are flawed.

-If you have double the numbers you will probably win regardless

-Faelings are more common in glomdoring, there are like two Serenwilde faelings on prime right now. Elfen being more common

-The quests are easy for novices, they give money, help comms.

-Meh...

Yes, peaceful influencing can be boring, especially if dragged out over a long period of time, but it's obvious all the complaints are raised simply because Celest didn't get the village. Not to mention many of Amaru's points are flawed.

Nihilists have always been able to give 4 afflictions at the start of a fight.

Scourged Demon
Tarot/Hexes/Astrology
Tail

The symbol just replaces the Tarot/Hexes/Astrology attack. It doesn't changes anything.

Ah, that's misleading. The range of afflictions that can be given by a symbol is larger and (assuming you chose a Demon Lord/Supernal with powerful pacts attached) more powerful. Additionally it is more reliable, unlike, say, Moon tarot.

Additionally in using hexes, it's possible for a Nihilist to open a fight with anywhere from four to nine afflictions.

I wouldn't really call it a tough win, since Serenwilde dominated just about all the time. And it's about time Glomdoring got a village, our non-village-owningness kind of.. kills.. some guild tasks and stuff. Which.. isn't that good a reason, but hey.

I agree that numbers count, though, it seems to me that if you don't start strong at the beginning of the revolt it's hard to get up enough of a comeback to actually get a chance to win. Glomdoring's current playerbase makes it a given that all opposition will outnumber any sort of team we can come up with. Ergo, I'm glad for peaced influencing. It gives us, though not by much, a chance at a fighting chance.

Edit: Can't say I'm sure on the head count of faelings, though.

Spectator said earlier that he ment it in reverse...

IF Glomdoring = CUltral Center, then Glomdoring should have the most villages, not just the best library.

i.e. He doesn't think the Library should have an affect on cultural center in the POLOTICS command.

But wouldn't that work better as a political center?
The cultural center is where the best scholars and writers... hang out, i'm told the cultural center counts as a village somehow, but culture is actually separate from politics.

Also I'm really tired and bored right now, but I have to say falling asleep to get out of a debate cracked me up

Probabbly... I'm not quite sure what the complaint is.

Spectator seemed to be focused on what gives a community the most power in thier nexus as a sign of Political/Cultural center.

At this point, Spectator will have to speak for himself.

I just suddenly blinked and passed out from exhaustion in the middle of the debate against Turgeis with his chanter, I expected to lose in my sleep, but then I could see Turgeis and his chanter just break out laughing, and I realized they couldn't keep debating me. I personally found it hilarious as well, and for fun just went to sleep on a few people and told them their argument bored me. Heh.

One thing I noticed is sometimes I'll hit someone direct on 8 (right argument against the weakest mindset) times in a row, and not have them lose, without them even debating back, then suddenly hit the wrong mindset once and get hit by their first argument at the same time and get instagibbed. What's up with that? The mechanics seem funny like that.

Personally I think running or fleeing in any manner after they've landed two successful arguments back to back should automatically shatter your ego. Why else would you flee a debate in reality unless you had lost? Also, I'd have to say this clause wouldn't apply if they were engaged in influencing a denizen when someone came and initiated a debate, because that wouldn't be fair.