You know, the whole thing with killing the Supernals and the Star?

Which um..you know, happened awhile ago and you already you know got back at us for it?

Sorry, there's no way we've already 'got back at you' for killing the Supernals and the Star. However, I think it's closer now. The manpower required to raise all three Avatars will probably still be less than required to raise the Star and the Supernals, though.

Yeah, again, no complaints about the raid. It happens. Only real annoyance is our method of gathering fae. *sulk*

If anyone had cared to see what my rant was about theyd notice I dont give a damn that the Avatars died, I give a damn that when we had Wisp everyone cried "NERF!!" yet we still have Beckon.

After the probe at me for gathering essence I went on the assult because its just dumb that we cant get essence on our own without raiding or having the Avatars.

The amount of essence isn't the question - it's the time taken to collect it.

Wisp was multiple times more unbalanced than Beckon is, especially in its original form.

I think it might work better if essence wasn't required to raise the Avatars. Maybe if you had to bring in x(50?) of the Fae that the certain Avatar would normally accept and she'll be raised again.

The issue is that you can't bring in Fae without the Avatars up. You need an item from one of the Avatars to even bring the fae home.

While it means no fae-napping for a while, it also means no essence-critters.

Then it was made so it was local area only, as well as same forest, then only your forest, then its summon times were made longer and even longer with a monolith. Then it was completely taken out.

Soll, thatd be nice to have and much easier than what we have.

It wouldn't be easier than what you have.

It would be *impossible* to do unless you got Glomdoring to help you by influencing fae and then giving them to you.

And completely impossible should Albion and Lhiannan both be dead.

(Well, without the cities influencing / giving you fae, I suppose!)

Or if it was made possible, but a bit harder, to influence without the scarrab and flower. Doesnt really matter though, pprobably isnt possible to do with the current system. So, we do really need a way to get essence other than raiding and those creatures.

(Ive substantially cooled down, so Im willing to speak more rationally)

I'm not mad at Celest for killing them..I'm just frustrated that we don't have boulderblast/hailstorm so Serenwilde actually has to comfront the raiders directly which adds bodies into the room which weakens the Avatar which has a room attack that kills most defenders leaving the tanky raiders to finish off the Avatar...

Essence can be gotten by killing angels. Kinda funny ... Celest kills Seren Avatars after Seren wouldn't ban angel killing (which 99% of the population wasn't involved in anyway), so Celest does things that incline more of the Seren to kill angels.

At this point, Magnagorans and even Glomdorings are looking much friendlier than Celestians.

I always thought they were.

You say this like it's a bad thing! Conflict is fun!

WHY THE DO I KEEP FORGETTING TO PUT MY GOLD IN MY PACK!!!!!!!!

I think that is an issue really needs to be confronted, hailstorm/boulderblast in group fighting is the new thunderclap.

@Narsrim, if you think Magnagora has been defending faethorn you need to open your eyes.

I don't mind the existance of beckon, but I do think it is unbalancing without Wiccans having something similar. The same with Hailstorm. Giving such powerful group skills only to one side is a bit much in my eyes. We do have Darkmoon, Ancestral Curse, and Bellow, but these are melee skills. Hailstorm is a ranged AoE attack. There is no defence against a team of Magi hailstorming all at once from an adjacent room - there is a defence against ancestral curse, darkmoon, and bellow (leave the room/elevation). All of them also cannot kill an enitre group in a moment - they firstly do not stack with themselves (well, bellow does if you time it well, I guess), and secondly do not cause physical damage at all.

Yes, Willowisp was better than Demesne Summon or Beckon alone, but both of those together were as good as Willowisp. I do not understand why you didn't lose all of your summons when we lost all of ours.

I've seen Magnagora defend Ethereal Serenwilde, though.

A whole once, maybe, but it did happen.