QFT. Envoy, give us a ranged room attack



EDIT: I don't believe that every guild should be a copy of another, but this is something that really imbalances group combat.

It's called MOONDANCE RAGE. And it works across the entire area.

Also, you can just, you know, shield.

The communes do have Rage/Terror, and through it Serenwilde can give Aeon/Darkmoon at a range. Yes, I know the limitations. Just stating.

* Just shield. Tada.

To defend against beckon? Sit. Since you have to physically walk, anything that stops you walking normally stops you being beckoned. Sitting isn't all that hard. Or blocking!

Doesnt Beckon go through shield? If it does for certain then that means to shield we need to stand, if we stand well be beckoned and then die. Also, Rage needs a bunch of Moondancers standing in a Coven. We had about 2, maybe 3 Blockers so they would have likely been Beckoned out regardless.

SIT doesn't drop shield. Nice try! Also, only room beckon goes through shield, and room beckon can't be spammed like targetted beckon.

Double blocking also stops beckon. All it takes is two Serenguard (or two people with the riding skill!)

I never said it did, I said to out up a shield we would need to stand, while we stand and then off EQ we need to then sit again. Moondancers to use Rage and Moonburst need to stand. We had 2 or 3, which means one exit would have been unguarded pretty much.

I disagree with this being the same as a single person castable ranged room attack that can be used all the time. When there is a group attacking an Avatar/Supernal, you can just hailstorm their room over and over. They won't be shielded, and combined with the Avatar/Supernal's room attacks, most of the attackers will die. With Rage, it first of all has to be night, which is 1/3rd of the time. Secondly, there needs to be at least five defenders who have Moon. Thirdly, attacking through Rage is a trans skill, where hailstorm is a near-novice skill, not to mention the 10p cost for anyone who isn't drawndown. Fourthly, you can only hit one person at a time, rather than up to thirty. Fifthly, moonburst does the worst damage type in the game, to which people can get 80-90% reistance to easily. Sixthly, it takes about 30-35 seconds to join everyone to the coven (assuming everyone is in the room already), circle, and call down rage. It takes about 40 seconds to kill an Avatar from what I've seen.

I don't see the skills as being equilivients at all, or even serving the same purpose.


Please tell me how you shield while hitting an avatar/supernal? I'd love to hear it.

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To clarify - I am not complaining about the raid itself, only stating that I don't think it's fair that your 0p newbie-ish skill is orders of magnitude better than our 8p mythical skills and our trans skills that take five people to cast.

You can't be beckoned while off eq. You can't be beckoned while ANYTHING that would stop you from moving normally is there. This includes walls, sitting, no eq/balance, afflictions, etc.

Youre still ignoring the Rage bit.

That takes eq, so you won't be beckoned then either.

But who cares anyway? Just get two serenguard to block the exit and you will not get beckoned.

Whats to stop you from doing it from both directions?

What's to stop you from blocking in both directions? Or just coming out and killing us because doing it in both directions would mean we've split up our group?

Not going to continue this because everything I say has fallen on deaf ears.

Maybe allow the spirits created by Ancestral Curse to be ordered to move with a longish balance recovery. Or have Bellow be able to be used from an adjacent room? Then also have Squall from Crow usable from a room over to help Blacktalon. Allows for some raid prevention without being exact copy overs from the Mage skills.

Okie-dookie shouts need to be removed. Now .

Reason why Druids shouldn't get a room attack:

Choke + Room attack that causes bleeding + guards/Avatars.

I'd much rather that 1) Avatars/Supernals did NOT hit members of their own Commune/City, and 2) Commune/City members in the room do NOT count towards the weakening.

Did I mention how much I love Lich and Ghost?

Newp, I didn't say it like it was a bad thing. I was just laughing at the idea that the precise thing Celest is pushing for a ban on is the precise thing they're encouraging us to do. And, it's funny that certain individuals seem to think that force will get what they want instead of the opposite, even when all evidence is to the contrary. If anything, Serenwilde delights in holding a grudge for a long time. Even if it eventually might be inclined to forgive, it also doesn't forget. (Moondancers especially don't forget )

So, enjoy!

going to Earth to kill grubs and getting ambushed by a raiding party...I have never been more tempted to use the quote in my signature ingame before

Has anyone seen this happen? At all, let alone frequently? Does anyone know if, if it did happen, the Magnagoran was just passing through and decided to kill Celestians, or if someone asked for them?

...'cause, you know, despite offers from various people (Malarious ) I've never seen a Magnagoran help defend Ethereal to any extent. We still kick 'em off unless they're passing through, actually! So I suspect this is one of those "urban myth" things. (Although I HAVE seen Glooms protect Celestian villages!)