I hate people who get drunk to the point they go uncouncious... and they do it over and over at the Mother.. and then get angry if you tackle them South

While what you say is true, I made that comment because I thought it was ridiculous that there were 17 of you versus us 7 and you didn't budge an inch to take us out. We weren't in a meld, only had 1, maybe two aquamancers (depending on Narsims connectivity) for hailstorm. And it's not like there was a lack of actual fighters, it was Shorlen, Yini, Flacarealah, Athana, Krellan, Sarrasri, and then a horde of others. With that many, you should've been able to trounce us.

What gives? We just wanted to play!

Side note: I love how Athana started melding Nil for Magnagora when we raided there. Go Magnawilde!!

Um.. except that Athana was a long-time Magnagoran, with children in said city-state. That isn't Magnawilde, that is the fact that neither Ixion nor Athana left on a bad note.

Not leaving on a bad note is different from helping to defend, and sure, she's just one person, but Ixion makes it two. Weren't a large part of the complaints about Celenwilde about Munsia and Narsrim helping Celest, or Malicia and Amaru helping Serenwilde? Funny how things change.

And it's not like this is the only time I've seen Seren and Mag fight together, so it's not like I'm using this as conclusive evidence that Magnawilde exists. It's simply just another casual observation.

But in fact, -just today- there've been 3-4 situations in which individuals from magnagora and serenwilde were cooperating with each other to defend/attack celestians. Way to reinforce that which you're trying to deny.

Especially loving the newest Malarious/Minerva cubix combo. It'd be fun if they didn't bolt at the first hint of danger.

but, Dude.. its not like Celest isn't continuously picking a fight with both sides. This "They're cooperating!' bit is when you consider that fact that Celest is actively raiding both of said force's territory.

And the complaint about Celenwilde was that Narsrim had Celest bent over. Munsia would get enemied, Narsrim would threaten in a shout, and poof, it would all magically be undone. That is drastically different than what you are seeing between Magnagora and Serenwilde.

Agreed it was similar for "celenwilde", narsrim/malicia (both who have since left, surprise surprise) and a few others they draged along who had relatives went to celestia.

This is all just people waving their egos around saying "look! look! at me and my hoard, we are the only hoard who don't need to join another hoard to hoard around and jump people!"

I could claim that saying "No, we're not cooperating!" is too.

I never was one of those who complained about serenwilde and magnagora cooperating. You're right, we do raid both territories and shouldn't be surprised if we run into combined resistance.

What annoys me are the adamant, almost furious responses on the forums that claim that Serenwilde and Magnagora aren't cooperating in fights. And so, I've simply been pointing out situations in which members from magnagora and serenwilde are actively helping each other. Wait, that's called cooperation, right? Working together towards a common goal (squishing fishies)? Ah, thought so.

Sure, it may not be an 'official' stance of either org, but it definitely is happening, and to a higher frequency with each passing day.

Meh, all this from a simple side comment? I said that to be -funny-! Tongue in cheek humour, not really serious, ya know....funny? Slightly mocking, but not "OMG Get the shotgun and shoot this !"



75% of forums and 95% of in game fighting (groups or solo) are about ego and bragging rights, what's your point?

And you're right. It feels damn good to stand alone after so long being called Serenwilde's .

Heh, it's not like I'm active as of now anyways...

IC, Celest is at war in Serenwilde, and they choose to pick up a fight with Mag as well. So dont go complaining if your enemies cooperates in one way or another to burn Celest to the ground. Its war. Live with it. Who cares about what people say? They could say they are not cooperating, or they could say they are, but the fact remains that there's a war going on.

That's a good thing.

Just to deflate your ego a little bit though - most of the Seren who worked with Celest to cause the 'Celenwilde' comments... are still working with Celest.

Really people, do you really think that having 20 people who work together from three guilds is superior to 20 people who work together from six guilds?

Are the bitching and insults really necessary when obviously players from Serenwilde and Magnagora have worked together, players from Serenwilde and Celest have worked together, players from Glomdoring and Magnagora have worked together, and so on?

Whoever is complaining about sacrifice.. there's an easy way to stop it.

Eye sigils. Done.

IC Magnagora has been raiding Celest and attacking her citizens before the war with Serenwilde, and continued to raid Celest and attack her citizens after the war with Serenwilde commenced. Nothing changed about Magnagora's stance concerning Celest. So, even if Celest did not raise a hand against Magnagora, Magnagora would have still been taking advantage of the situation to get its own licks in on Celest. So trying to use the fact that Celest is fighting against both Communities as the sole reason for both to team Celest does not fly with me.

I would like to know where that every community for itself attitude many of the people who complained about Serenwilde and Celest working together went? I find it amusing how certain standards, made in OOC statements on these forums, only apply when it benefits a group, while are thrown away when said standards stifle the desire of that same group. Like I have stated before, I don't care that Magnagora and Serenwilde are working together. Though, I do not mind pointing out the hypocrisy of the actions that fly against what was said on these forums by one group in that party that were on these very boards teasing Celest for doing what they themselves are doing now.

My argument against the Celenwilde was one of "Been there, done that, now can we cut the good vs evil crap? I get it enough from children's stories."

By 'most' of the Seren...you mean Narsrim? Munsia's no longer in Celest, hell, half of Celest wants her enemied for some reason or other.

He's a great help, but he is only one person. You can't be trying to say our success is solely due to his contribution now?

So what do you consider your combination of Serenwilde and Magnagora? Why is it better that Magnagora and Serenwilde join forces? What intrinsic story-line benefit does that union give that makes it far more interesting than what the previous union gave?

I'm confused. Aren't Ixion and Athana only two people? They're the only ones defending Nil on a regular basis. I think one person from Mag was seen defending Ethereal one time. Sure, we had a joint strike or two a while back, but that's what happens when you start a war on two fronts.

The majority of the fighters in Magnagora stopped playing Lusternia. The majority of the fighters in Serenwilde went to Celest. Of course Celest is winning when they are by themselves - I don't get what all the OOC bragging is about. "We have more players who can fight then you, so the fact that you need to use diplomacy and we don't makes you weaker!"? I just don't get it.

Raizan, I wish you would hold off your Earth raiding until I get back on my system, you cruel, cruel man!

OOCly, I think it's wonderful that alliances and friendships change over the years, and that the game isn't stagnant like I precieved Achaea to be when I played it. Serenwilde and Celest have very few reasons to hate each other from the histories, but every other org has a good reason to hate every other org. Now, every org has a good reason to hate every org, and so we are free to make alliances where we wish to. We can't say "We can't ally with Mag because they're evil!" when we see Celest as just as evil, and Glom as just as evil. The Moondancer's belief that the taint is intrinsically harmful to nature is no longer a swaying one, since Celest has done just as much to harm Nature now, if not more, in our eyes.

Because all IC reasons to be friendly with Celest faded, and because we aren't so naive IC as to believe isolationism is the way in the modern world, we now have reason to be friendly with any group. The lesser of three evils, it is.

Besides, helping a group we know will (and has!) backstab us at the most advantageous opportunity is FUN. (on an OOC level, of course)

Most of my forum time is spent trying to correct the misconceptions of others, and the rest of it is having people like Xenthos point out that I've got a few misconceptions of my own to dissolve. 100% of my in game fighting is about defending my own org, not about inflating my own ego.. (you could count peaceful influencing as being about ego, but... no one gets hurt by that, the winners just get a bonus.. along with a thing to fret over and protect, sometimes I think glom has the right idea about villages, leach off of others comms and have nothing to defend.) so ya anywho, I forget my point, onto the next part.


Perhaps after so many mags and gloms overreacting about the celenwilde and you fretting about it, now you might realize that you might be doing the same thing in this circumstance?

I’ll say one thing about the forums, they blow everything out of proportion, oh, and if it's all a joke.. well typing doesn't translate voice inflection.

Narsrim, Malicia and Munsia I was thinking of. Quite a few Serenguard migrated as well, if I remember correctly.

Serenwilde has lost a good number of its top-tier fighters, I'd say the main ones that remain are Ixion, Athana and Tuek, two of which only recently joined.

I remember saying after most of the big migration that if Glomdoring had wanted to attack us, they would have more military might than we could muster. I think that's still relatively true, we have one of the weakest PK forces of the four organizations. I don't deny that Celest's team of mid-to-high-level Pkers could probably quite easily decimate Serenwilde's team of mid-to-high-level Pkers in a fair fight... I just don't see a need to gloat and insult us OOCly for having a weaker side.