What the...? No FIFA thread?

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Verithrax2006-06-21 16:05:28
QUOTE(Corinthian @ Jun 21 2006, 03:41 AM) 300729

Just a thought on Brazil

They don't deserve to win.

They have not shown anything but a team that plays half -assed and wins soley for their "name". They thrust that the name of Ronaldinho and Kaka will affect the other team.

Brazil doesn't have a team, they have Ronaldo-Ronaldinho-Kaka and co.
That is all

Have you even seen the games? Ronaldo right now is a problem and he's not playing against Japan because he's been so damnedly slow. Kaká has been playing very well - but there's only so much he can do alone. The rest of the team has been holding on without their help and scoring goals. Brazil improved, and Brazil has a long history of starting out slow and getting better as the competition progresses. Brazil has a team - the issue is that Ronaldo-Ronaldinho-Kaká hasn't been working out. Which is why Robinho is coming in and I have a lot of faith in him, as he's shown himself to be an amaizng player in the little time ohe got to play so far.
Jack2006-06-21 16:08:23
The England V Sweden match was ridiculous. I swear to christ, it's no wonder we haven't beaten them for so long: our defense was absolutely crap. I was still hoping for a victory but then they scored in the 89th minute and equalized. Only really good thing about the match was Cole's goal.

Damn Swedes. sad.gif
Verithrax2006-06-22 03:19:35
I thought it was a very entertaining match, actually.
Veonira2006-06-22 13:58:28
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I COULD HAVE BEEN AT THE US VS GHANA GAME RIGHT NOW
Sylphas2006-06-22 15:19:58
My problem with international sports: We sound retarded compared to other countries. Our country's name isn't even a real name, it's a description. sad.gif
Veonira2006-06-24 05:24:04
Oh whatever, I think our flag is the coolest tongue.gif.
Verithrax2006-06-24 05:29:33
The American flag is kind of weird. The Italian and French flags are dull. The British and Brazilian flags look good. The Spanish and Portuguese ones still have coats of arms in them and thus I like them.
Unknown2006-06-24 05:52:33
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Mexican flag is great wub.gif
Verithrax2006-06-24 06:37:16
Nah, it's overdone. It totally tries too hard.

(Kidding! It's quite nice and I kind of remember the story behind it.)
Unknown2006-06-24 07:05:35
because I like to talk about it

The Coat of Arms is charged in the center of the flag, and was inspired by an Aztec legend regarding the founding of Tenochtitlan. According to popular legend, the Aztec people, then a nomadic tribe, were wandering throughout Mexico in search of a sign that would indicate the precise spot upon which they were to build their capital. The god Huitzilopochtli had commanded them to find an eagle devouring a snake, perched atop a prickly pear cactus (nopal in Spanish) growing on a rock submerged in a lake. After two hundred years of wandering, they found the promised sign on a small island in the swampy Lake Texcoco. Here they founded their new capital, Tenochtitlan, which later became known as Mexico City, the current capital of Mexico.

GO GO WIKIPOWER!

Funny think about Aztecs. They built a City on top of a lake and somehow spaniards thought that they were savages? I mean, it's really hard to build a city on top of a lake doh.gif
Sylphas2006-06-24 23:38:50
American flag isn't bad, we just have a crap name.
Verithrax2006-06-25 03:20:41
QUOTE(Corinthian @ Jun 24 2006, 04:05 AM) 301912

because I like to talk about it

The Coat of Arms is charged in the center of the flag, and was inspired by an Aztec legend regarding the founding of Tenochtitlan. According to popular legend, the Aztec people, then a nomadic tribe, were wandering throughout Mexico in search of a sign that would indicate the precise spot upon which they were to build their capital. The god Huitzilopochtli had commanded them to find an eagle devouring a snake, perched atop a prickly pear cactus (nopal in Spanish) growing on a rock submerged in a lake. After two hundred years of wandering, they found the promised sign on a small island in the swampy Lake Texcoco. Here they founded their new capital, Tenochtitlan, which later became known as Mexico City, the current capital of Mexico.

GO GO WIKIPOWER!

Funny think about Aztecs. They built a City on top of a lake and somehow spaniards thought that they were savages? I mean, it's really hard to build a city on top of a lake doh.gif

Except, it's not a coat of arms.
Unknown2006-06-25 04:18:19
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 24 2006, 10:20 PM) 302139

Except, it's not a coat of arms.

it is a coat of arms doh.gif

We even know it in spanish as "Escudo de Armas", lit. Shield of Arms in english, or Coat of Arms
Verithrax2006-06-25 04:44:23
Nope. It's something that can be construed as a heraldic charge and probably is in the Mexican coat of arms, placed upon the field of the flag - But it's not an actual coat of arms as there's no defined escutcheon.

However, the coat of arms of Mexico is probably something like "Argent, " so you can call it the coat of arms, although it's more appropriately the coat of arms' content.
Unknown2006-06-25 04:51:06
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 24 2006, 11:44 PM) 302155

Nope. It's something that can be construed as a heraldic charge and probably is in the Mexican coat of arms, placed upon the field of the flag - But it's not an actual coat of arms as there's no defined escutcheon.

However, the coat of arms of Mexico is probably something like "Argent, " so you can call it the coat of arms, although it's more appropriately the coat of arms' content.

Coat of arms in post-monarchy states started to deviate from the heraldic tradition of old European coat of arms. Those are still coat of arms
Verithrax2006-06-25 05:28:47
But there we go into semantics, because it depends on how you define a coat of arms. I've been working from the reasonable assumption that a coat of arms consists of a field (Escutcheon, lozenge, banner, roundel, eleven-and-a-half-pointed star with unicorn shaped points) and charges (Ordinaries, sub-ordinaries, animals, objects, people, symbols) that is designed explicitly as a coat of arms and according to heraldic practice. You can even call a flag a coat of arms and try to blazon it (Although flags are not coats of arms, and most cannot be blazoned or can be blazoned only imperfectly;)

The symbols in the Mexican flag are not a coat of arms by that definition, unless you're calling the whole flag a coat of arms, although Mexico's arms are probably different at least in proportion (Dividing a field in three stripes is in theory, impossible; you can only have a paly of an even number, of divide per pale and place a pale of a third colour, which would have different proportions).

As a compromise, you can call the eagle a charge (It is) or even a badge (A badge is a part of a full achievement of arms which usually consists of a distinctive charge, to be worn in clothing and such as a display of allegiance). Or you can call it part of a coat of arms, which it is, since it's probably taken from the arms of Mexico - it lacks a defined escutcheon, supporters orcrest, but it has the coat's defining parts.

EDIT: On a second thought, I'm really going to concede the argument here; it's not a full achievement of arms but you can call it a coat of arms, anyway, simply by stating that the field doesn't have borders and is argent. tongue.gif
Unknown2006-06-25 06:15:06
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Jun 25 2006, 12:28 AM) 302161

But there we go into semantics, because it depends on how you define a coat of arms. I've been working from the reasonable assumption that a coat of arms consists of a field (Escutcheon, lozenge, banner, roundel, eleven-and-a-half-pointed star with unicorn shaped points) and charges (Ordinaries, sub-ordinaries, animals, objects, people, symbols) that is designed explicitly as a coat of arms and according to heraldic practice. You can even call a flag a coat of arms and try to blazon it (Although flags are not coats of arms, and most cannot be blazoned or can be blazoned only imperfectly;)

The symbols in the Mexican flag are not a coat of arms by that definition, unless you're calling the whole flag a coat of arms, although Mexico's arms are probably different at least in proportion (Dividing a field in three stripes is in theory, impossible; you can only have a paly of an even number, of divide per pale and place a pale of a third colour, which would have different proportions).

As a compromise, you can call the eagle a charge (It is) or even a badge (A badge is a part of a full achievement of arms which usually consists of a distinctive charge, to be worn in clothing and such as a display of allegiance). Or you can call it part of a coat of arms, which it is, since it's probably taken from the arms of Mexico - it lacks a defined escutcheon, supporters orcrest, but it has the coat's defining parts.

EDIT: On a second thought, I'm really going to concede the argument here; it's not a full achievement of arms but you can call it a coat of arms, anyway, simply by stating that the field doesn't have borders and is argent. tongue.gif

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Veonira2006-06-25 16:20:23
Oh my God.

Beckham just made the most beautiful direct kick EVER. It was seriously...wow.

POSH SPICE APPROVES.
Verithrax2006-06-25 18:03:51
Nobody gives a flying censor.gif about Posh Spice anymore, though.

QUOTE(Corinthian @ Jun 25 2006, 03:15 AM) 302176

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