Unknown2006-06-16 08:19:45
At what wound level is sliced tendon?
Unknown2006-06-16 08:52:09
Critical for blademasters, heavy for pureblades.
Shryke2006-06-16 09:12:21
I don't see why you get the idea I want a way to definately kill someone after a given amount of work, but I feel we need the option to BE ABLE to kill our enemies, and be able to do it in more than one way. Have you run into anyone who wont for any reason at all move their stance and parry of their head and legs? See what it's like and you will think we need big upgrades in the chest and gut too, not to mention our sluggish affliction rate, we are quite underpowered, I don't see how anyone can argue against that. Our one and only way to sneak a kill out against a skilled player was a lucky behead, now that that is gone, all we can really try to do (lethally) is slitlock people to death, or the less tanky ones just tendon whore them. You don't think we need more options for kills geb? Such as perhaps a heartpierce damage kill to make people at least consider moving their parry off their head?
Icarus2006-06-16 09:41:33
QUOTE(geb @ Jun 16 2006, 03:39 PM) 298738
You hurt! Your axe was hurting my frail faeling body bad (I have 111 cutting without runes). If you remember the fight, I swung up into the trees, walked out of the room, and used webs to slow your damage down. I was a surged Faeling with yellow up giving me 5.2k health, yet I always found myself hovering around 1800 and down as low as 900 one time. I did not feel an anyway that your damage was something I could just stand there and tanked, so I did not. I used every tool I had available to help mitigate your damage, while trying to find some way to gain an advantage over you. In the end, I got lucky in our pit wars because you walked into mine. Do I feel that you were underpowered? Nope, I do not.
I somewhat agree. My focus is on damage and I utilize every tool I have to maximize that, namely, elemental runes, war blessing, enrage, geburah and being a high str low int large size race.
Now thinking back at the fight we had, you are right, it was the pit that got me. Now if we were fighting on Water, where no traps can be laid, it could have gone on a bit longer. I said two-handers being underpowered in the sense that all afflictions are easily cured, with the exception of slitthroat and amputation (slitthroat only if senso hits, and amputation simply never happens). The afflictions given are just not inhibiting enough, unlike knockdown/concussion combo or pinleg lock, so the opponent could just web-whore or walk away to heal.
Like I said elsewhere, increase venom affliction rate is one way to help two-handers. Double afflicting chance is another. But I would rather see some original wound afflictions for two-handers than just tweaking venoms.
silimaur2006-06-16 10:29:22
Im sorry to say this shryke but from what i have seen any good pureblader can get a kill the same as anyone else, sometimes its easier (like the 2 hit beheads on mages via luck) sometimes its harder like with people stancing legs and parrying head, yet it is still perfectly possible and from fighting geb icarus ekard (while he was pureblade) daevos and some other is know perfectly well that it is not impossible for them to be able to kill me as 90% of the time i cannot keep up with curing. If your fighting someone that parries head and stances legs why not just amputate both arms? they wont be able to keep up and then you have vitually destroyed someone offensive, and if they still dont switch there parry or stance then you can keep doing it over and over, they can eitehr stay like that till they die or switch and provide you with an opening on head/legs. But its your job to make them give that opening and to force them to do something they dont want to. (yes i realise i havent been pureblade myself but i have watched what others do to me and have seen that though they do need a boost they still have the capability to kill just like any other warrior)
Unknown2006-06-16 11:04:12
QUOTE(Ixion @ Jun 15 2006, 08:55 PM) 298654
Lunge's double nerf has a lot to do with it.
Parry+stance+rebounding+timeslip whoring+shield being too much defense has another thing to do with it. Poor afflictions on different limbs is an issue too. Luck based venoms and attacks..There's a large list of reasons, actually...
I dont see how poor afflictions is a problem as 1 handers definetly bm have a wide range of afflictions, seriously the only body part as a bm I wont target is the arms. To me the lunge not going through shield was needed and it not doing more damage was a bug fix so I cant really consider that a nerf since it wasnt suppose to happen in the first place. Luck based venoms were always there since afflictions from attacks are there so you really cant have both due to the fact that you would be overpowered with such effects. The only problem from this list I see is the whole over defensive issue where someone can just whore timeslip since shield can be razed and you can slash farely quickly after the raze.
So far I only see 2-handers having really serious issues but I guess I could be wrong.
Shryke2006-06-16 14:05:25
Silimaur you realize you can't behead with assault now? Plus I'm pretty sure our wounding got ninjanerfed a little bit. I know Daevos agrees with me that PB's are rediculously underpowered, just because he is an amazing curer titan with insane weapons doesn't mean our class is actually any good. Can you imagine what Daevos would be like as a BM or BC? Or worse... a mage.. You are completely wrong Silimaur sorry, if you bring up a valid point I'll admit it.
Ildaudid2006-06-16 15:40:29
QUOTE(Cuber @ Jun 16 2006, 03:49 AM) 298743
To evaluate what is being said in this thread, I will go Pureblade as soon as I get 36 credits I need for the skill switch. Got 1 so far.
Don't expect to be able to 1v1 anyone on yer way out from stealing furrkins or killing miners
And Ciaran, as you know I totally agree. I think people are missing the point that the 2handers that sometimes get the kills are arti'd up. Take a PB with no champ artie and no runes. They will not be able to handle most anyone who can cure.
Here is another thing I noticed, I was doing some testing in the arena.. My subject turned his parry and curing off. I put my subject up to critical wounds on head. I then proceeded to use hack down to see how long it would take to finally hit the head... Well to my surprise when I finally hit the head. I get a slit throat. I was like what? No behead on crit? So I continue... It took a total of 5 hack downs that hit the head for behead to go off. That is just crazy if my subject was healing wounds or rebounding... I would have never been able to pull that off. That just ruined my day and almost destroyed my hope of ever seeing PB's being a fighting style on the same field as a BC BM.
Hazar2006-06-16 15:45:10
Few things, Silimaur.
One - you SHOULD be targetting arms as a BM, occasionally, at least against a knight or mage. Limp arms, slapknuckle - good way to cut down offense. And pounding right/left is useful.
Two - do you realize how quickly an arm can be regenerated? Barely worth the effort.
I think two-handers's should get some gut and chest stabs. Useful ones. That will solve a lot of problems right there.
One - you SHOULD be targetting arms as a BM, occasionally, at least against a knight or mage. Limp arms, slapknuckle - good way to cut down offense. And pounding right/left is useful.
Two - do you realize how quickly an arm can be regenerated? Barely worth the effort.
I think two-handers's should get some gut and chest stabs. Useful ones. That will solve a lot of problems right there.
silimaur2006-06-16 16:48:29
Hazar i do target arms almost every single fight so i dont know where that came from, and also you say it can be regenerated quickly? 2 regenerations and one mending per arm? i dont see that as quick as you will have hit there are again during that time amputating again, so they have a severely reduced offence. I dont think your actually understanding what im saying.
Shryke, Of course assault doesnt behead, why the nil would it? it is stupid that anyone should be able to behead with an attack like that so i dont know what your talking about there. Next i have fought more pureblade then daevos as said, geb is not even level 80 but he puts the effort in to learn and doesnt expect to be able to assault someone twice for a behead. The point is that you can pull them away from guarding head in several different ways, you shouldnt just expect them to let you hit them where you want to, you have to work for the kill.
Finally at the end of my post i said that yes pureblades probably some form of upgrade but not a big one, their damage and wound output is already amazing.
Shryke, Of course assault doesnt behead, why the nil would it? it is stupid that anyone should be able to behead with an attack like that so i dont know what your talking about there. Next i have fought more pureblade then daevos as said, geb is not even level 80 but he puts the effort in to learn and doesnt expect to be able to assault someone twice for a behead. The point is that you can pull them away from guarding head in several different ways, you shouldnt just expect them to let you hit them where you want to, you have to work for the kill.
Finally at the end of my post i said that yes pureblades probably some form of upgrade but not a big one, their damage and wound output is already amazing.
Ildaudid2006-06-17 00:54:53
And the hits keep coming, thanks for screwing all warriors over again today. (See Envoy Reports)
It would be nice, just nice to hear them say one time... Warriors we are working on fixing several issues with you... don't fret too much your day is coming.... Instead of slam... and getting the feeling they are up there saying... Warriors we hate you... we don't want you in this basin anymore.. bugger off, change archtype or begone from this world.
It would be nice, just nice to hear them say one time... Warriors we are working on fixing several issues with you... don't fret too much your day is coming.... Instead of slam... and getting the feeling they are up there saying... Warriors we hate you... we don't want you in this basin anymore.. bugger off, change archtype or begone from this world.
Xenthos2006-06-17 01:03:42
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jun 16 2006, 08:54 PM) 299039
It would be nice, just nice to hear them say one time... Warriors we are working on fixing several issues with you... don't fret too much your day is coming....
Luckily for you, they just did. We shall see what happens.
Icarus2006-06-17 01:10:07
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 17 2006, 09:03 AM) 299045
Luckily for you, they just did. We shall see what happens.
Ildaudid2006-06-17 01:10:22
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 16 2006, 09:03 PM) 299045
Luckily for you, they just did. We shall see what happens.
Ohh they did? wow leave for two seconds and prayers are answered... Let us see.
Xenthos2006-06-17 01:14:36
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jun 16 2006, 09:10 PM) 299048
Ohh they did? wow leave for two seconds and prayers are answered... Let us see.
They actually ninja'd you, posted it about 13 minutes before you did!
Ildaudid2006-06-17 01:17:56
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 16 2006, 09:14 PM) 299051
They actually ninja'd you, posted it about 13 minutes before you did!
Where I can't find it.
Xenthos2006-06-17 01:19:42
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jun 16 2006, 09:17 PM) 299052
Where I can't find it.
Envoys, but I feel you guys should know that they're not giving up on us.
Ildaudid2006-06-17 01:25:03
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 16 2006, 09:19 PM) 299054
Envoys, but I feel you guys should know that they're not giving up on us.
Thanks! Make all the punches in the face allright now. I can finally heal and know that I will get love...
Ixion2006-06-17 04:12:57
Have to comment on my arena spar with Icarus. I had him pretty much screwed but still couldn't behead because of stance/parry, and the fact that rebounding comes up while pinlegged, so rend raze strike leg doesnt work. I had to drain his power to 0, slitlock him, then chase him down like a madman beating on him for a long term crappy damage kill with rapiers. All this is during being trap whored, where you cannot kill the dog in the arena, nor evade traps which you can be endlessly knocked into. Imagine a Serenguard Tracker+ Moon Mugwump, pit +active aeon = instantly screwed.
Just. Sad.
Edited: unclear spot.
Just. Sad.
Edited: unclear spot.
Vix2006-06-17 04:16:51
QUOTE(Ixion @ Jun 16 2006, 11:12 PM) 299121
Imagine a Serenguard Moon Tracker Mugwump, pit +active aeon = instantly screwed.
Eh? You can't have Tracking and Moon at the same time.