Unknown2006-07-06 13:28:27
Yea, Murphy's right about shield-whoring hindering all classes. Raze > Nullify... even on slow 2-handed weapons, it's still greater.
Murphy2006-07-06 13:50:09
Of course I'm right, I'm Murphy.
Seriously though to get past someone shield whoring you pretty much have to quicken and evoke void to keep on them, and even then chances are they'll be shielded at the moment your entourage ticks
Seriously though to get past someone shield whoring you pretty much have to quicken and evoke void to keep on them, and even then chances are they'll be shielded at the moment your entourage ticks
Geb2006-07-06 16:39:18
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jul 6 2006, 02:50 PM) 305216
Of course I'm right, I'm Murphy.
Seriously though to get past someone shield whoring you pretty much have to quicken and evoke void to keep on them, and even then chances are they'll be shielded at the moment your entourage ticks
I see you now have a better understanding of what the other archetypes were saying concerning certain issues. Heck, I use raze instead of cleave when my intended attack is a swing. With the speed that I can raze, I really do not lose much efficiency in using it.
Ildaudid2006-07-06 17:10:04
Exactly, the speed at which you raze is really fast, not all other PB's raze at this speed. So it is back to being that pureblades are in desperate need of work, balance wise and tweaking. Or if you want to be one be prepared to either not get many kills or spend insane amounts of credits beefing up your sword into a monster.
It reminds me of Marlucia saying to someone once, that even he could beat me. Which he did in one spar. I said something to a buddy of mine and he was like "Dude, doesn't he realize your a pureblade.... you're supposed to suck."
It reminds me of Marlucia saying to someone once, that even he could beat me. Which he did in one spar. I said something to a buddy of mine and he was like "Dude, doesn't he realize your a pureblade.... you're supposed to suck."
Geb2006-07-06 17:20:11
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ Jul 6 2006, 06:10 PM) 305253
Exactly, the speed at which you raze is really fast, not all other PB's raze at this speed. So it is back to being that pureblades are in desperate need of work, balance wise and tweaking. Or if you want to be one be prepared to either not get many kills or spend insane amounts of credits beefing up your sword into a monster.
It reminds me of Marlucia saying to someone once, that even he could beat me. Which he did in one spar. I said something to a buddy of mine and he was like "Dude, doesn't he realize your a pureblade.... you're supposed to suck."
Why is it the fact that he can beat you that makes you feel it is your skill-set that is the complete culprit? I can defeat Blademasters, Bonecrushers, and Axelords. Does that then mean that those skill-sets need help too? How about Aquamancy, Telepathy, Telekinesis? I've defeated people with those skill-sets too. Yes, two-handed fighters need a bit of help, but I just do not see them as being crippled like others keep saying.
Unknown2006-07-06 18:43:18
QUOTE(Murphy @ Jul 6 2006, 03:50 AM) 305216
Of course I'm right, I'm Murphy.
Seriously though to get past someone shield whoring you pretty much have to quicken and evoke void to keep on them, and even then chances are they'll be shielded at the moment your entourage ticks
Heh, but you USED to say that shield-whoring affected Warriors more... but it doesn't. Only class it doesn't really affect so much is Telepath Mages.
Shryke2006-07-06 18:44:21
I would like to see a non artied PB or AL kill anyone... You may be able to sneak kills out with whatever your insane weapon is, but they are crippled now, more so than any other class (maybe druids are worse but I really doubt that). Go look at some of my old arguments, I'm tired of repeating myself over and over again.
Geb2006-07-07 04:33:04
QUOTE(Shryke @ Jul 6 2006, 07:44 PM) 305271
I would like to see a non artied PB or AL kill anyone... You may be able to sneak kills out with whatever your insane weapon is, but they are crippled now, more so than any other class (maybe druids are worse but I really doubt that). Go look at some of my old arguments, I'm tired of repeating myself over and over again.
I've seen Aereena defeat people with her Pureblade weapon. I do not remember her having any runes on it. I've also seen people weapons with better stats than mine lose to others without any artifacts. You may complain as much as you want, but it is very evident to me that you have not truly experienced a class that is weak compared to others around it. Pureblade and Axelords are far from being the rubbish you like to claim they are.
Oh well, I truly enjoy my class and actually find certain aspects about it superior to what I had as a runic or dreamweaving mage. I do know Pureblades and Axeloreds need a bit of help, but again they do not need the drastic overhaul some of you like to imply with your complaints about them.
Ildaudid2006-07-07 05:54:01
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 6 2006, 01:20 PM) 305254
Why is it the fact that he can beat you that makes you feel it is your skill-set that is the complete culprit? I can defeat Blademasters, Bonecrushers, and Axelords. Does that then mean that those skill-sets need help too? How about Aquamancy, Telepathy, Telekinesis? I've defeated people with those skill-sets too. Yes, two-handed fighters need a bit of help, but I just do not see them as being crippled like others keep saying.
I didn't say it needs a complete overhaul. It needs to be tweaked alot. And if you recall Aerenna went to BM now because of her utter disgust at only being able to kill fresh out of the portal novices, if I recall what Cuber said properly. You should at least agree that a non-artied PB has no chance right now against a decent healing system unless you can lock them somehow. Geb I agree that the class has alot of potential, but it does need to be refined quite a bit. I never said anything like give us insane kills or anything out of control. But take for instance Decapitate? Ditch that stupid instakill that takes 10 seconds/must have all triggers off and hope you have the person so messed up they would probably bleed out anyway. Give us something like a disembowel or heartpierce. I mean I am not even asking for anything as powerful as pinleg but ditch the crap that doesn't do anything. How often have you furrowed? We have no options such as wielding a sword and a shield. So why don't we get compensated some how. I mean come on. I love the class. It does need to be tweaked some to be more balanced with the other classes. Maybe you should forge another sword and try it out for a bit. Maybe then you might see we need some type of tweaks... Nothing major but some love.
Soll2006-07-07 11:09:40
Don't ditch decapitate. Decapitate is awesome. And just, easy.. (If you're a Tracker. Else, not. )
Unknown2006-07-07 14:25:15
It's not feasible even for a tracker. If someone cannot get out of a spiked pit in 10 seconds, not only they deserve to die, but during that time you'd probably mess them up so badly with normal attacks that they wouldn't be able to get out alive anyway.
Geb2006-07-07 16:40:21
QUOTE(Cuber @ Jul 7 2006, 03:25 PM) 305438
It's not feasible even for a tracker. If someone cannot get out of a spiked pit in 10 seconds, not only they deserve to die, but during that time you'd probably mess them up so badly with normal attacks that they wouldn't be able to get out alive anyway.
It is very feasible in-groups. Also, the right set up of darts, springs, and spike pit can do wonders for making the insta-kill feasible. Last, remember that the insta-kill works like Cleave from other realms. It is the only one that can be started before the person enters the room.