I do think it could have been done better than "hehe you're fat *slap*"...."hehe you're still fat *slap*".

So, anyone willing to tell whose alt Kissos is?

There are 3 counts right now. Telrath, Nigredo, and I.
1 Warlord, Daevos.

Ooparu is CR2
Haiden is CR1 (serf)

You're exaggerating heavily, and outright wrong.

Shinza and I were waiting to lay the law down if anyone interfered. The rp was fierce and strictly in-character. People don't bond people ooc and burn their fat off, think about it, and realize it and stop whining about it please.

whuh? sorry, I was distracted by Stagar's sig

Still, Haiden and Ooparu are both lower ranked - the basic premise remains true. A 'Trooper' should not be making remarks like Haiden's to Mederrach. Or Jadryga. Or any of the rest of them.

Ooparu stopped short of more outright disrespect. But Haiden just came off petulant and incapable of seperating player and charecter.

I think if I was Ooparu I would have bitchslapped Mederrach all over the place, which would have caused me to die. Then I would have complained to my husband Telrath, and put him in a RP bind... God I would have loved to see that play out.

Yeah, see, being in a relationship gives you as much power as your spouse. So really, someone married to a Count doesn't have to show much respect to anyone but another Count or the Warlord

From now on, whomever uses a real life analogy automatically loses. Seriously. You can't compare Magnagora to the US; Magnagora has different social standards, different customs, and different standards of what is offensive or what constitutes abuse. And just thirty or forty years ago, this kind of behaviour was just okay in army boot camps - Ever seen Full Metal Jacket? Magnagora doesn't have the same standards we have in real life. Get that; it's not real life, it's nothing like real life. Our characters have entirely different reference frames from our own.

Hey, guess what, to the best of my knowledge, everyone involved was enjoying it. Let mature adults do whatever the they want; you have no right to tell someone his roleplay is bad or wrong because you're offended by it, when the target of the offenses herself was going along with it both IC and OOC.
Also, Mederrach (The character) is a sadistic twat, much like Verithrax is an arrogant prick and Murphy has ridiculous delusions of grandeur. We're not playing flowery happy magical unicorns here. I think you took a wrong turn going to Flower Power OMG Ponies Barbie MUSH.


It was tasteless, but Mederrach, et al, have the right to have tasteless scenes among consenting players. I don't see you bitching about MUDSex. And hey, ever see Nifilhema? She's the fricken lady of pain. I've sold cilice belts to people. Pain, sadism and kinky stuff like that are an integral part of life in Magnagora.

I do, however, think that being prejudicious against fat people inside the game is mildly OOC as this kind of thing wasn't nearly as stringent in medieval societies as it is today (Beauty standards were also different back then, and I can provide examples). And then there's Gorgulu; gluttony and greed, in Magnagora, should be stimulated.

It's pretty obvious what this whole thread summarizes: Magnagora's idea of nobility is a gang of 5th graders who bully and tease the other kids. End of story. Suck it up. Lighten up. Open up a can of Harden the Fuck Up. Thank you. Have a nice day. No reply needed from you, Murphy.

And Celest's idea of leadership is the two or three kindergarten kids who are stronger - because they're one year older than all the other kids and dumber than everyone, too.

Come on kids, get out your bot bots and go back to sleep.

Wait, that exists? Goodbye Lusternia!

And yet even they're smart enough not to like you.

I find that pretty damn amusing.

And something like that might have been accepted in a BOOT CAMP... but tell me.. is the Megalith a Boot camp? No.

And i'm sick of people saying you can't compare things to real life. Obviously, if we're trying to play characters as fully complete people.. isn't the real world a perfect example of what happens when a large group of real people are all living together in various situations?

You bitch constantly about RP, and yet you are completely void of the things that make it really RP.

The way most people play this game is as a bunch of Mary Sues. That's all you guys do. "Well, my character's life needs to be perfect! We should be able to get the outcome we want without any realistic consequences! Why do we have to be mature and act according to real world example?" I'm sorry, but if you think like that, your character will never be worth a shit in terms of depth.

Guess what, Magnagora is not some alien culture that is impossible to understand. You may like to think that, but its not. It was created by people and is run by people... and it is impossible for people to create something completely alien, so stop trying to pretend.

This should probably go into idiots so people can say "the idiots section is where I can rant like a dick! Stop surpressing me! ra ra" and so on and so forth.

Well thank you, sir. I never thought that Total and absolute humiliation is just for kids. And Grown ups act like strict formal people. Guess all those stories about people judging other people based on their looks, like lets say USA in the pre-1970's with some group of people, are in fact, FALSE!

Yes, and I'm sure that the ridiculization has been just used by pre-teen kids.



Seriously, if you are of higher power, higher rank, have a position in the city and/or your guild, or are just a wonderful raider (which would give you a higher rank), being a complete and utter ass-hat is ok with Magnagora. Yes, I said is Ok as long as they don't violate the rules of Lusternia regarding Harrasment or any other rule I may not be awere of.

Why? Because it goes with Magnagora theme of cruelty, domination, corruption and racism

Do I liked what happened? Asking to myself I would've seriously frowned this upon. And also IC I doubt I would've left things be if I wasn't a Magnagora. But I am, and there are certian "unwritten rules" regarding behaviour

Now what I find odd, in these series of arguments is that people are denouncing obesity. A disease. A damn controllable disease that ranks up in the highest echelons of causing preventable deaths. That's right, over the years human society has found ways to prevent and "cure" being fat, not only in the name of appearance (afterall, beauty is programmed), but also in the name of health.

Obesity's primary contributors are indeed, you guessed it, bad habits, and while there are genetic causes, nobody is forced to be overweight anymore. It's unhealthy, and while food is a stimulant of pleasure hormones, so is nicotine. How long ago did smoking become socially unacceptable? It's been at least 6 years in some areas. So why do we (especially Americans) continue to coddle the overweight? We don't coddle the smokers and their habit anymore. Sure one produces a certain amount of pollution, but then we don't coddle people who chew tobacco or snort cocaine either.

I think its largely hippocritical and needs to stop. I'm not saying yell at them, berate them, but for their sakes don't be ok or accepting of it if you're not going to accept similar, preventable and unhealthy habits.

Going to agree. Call her fatty all you want, don't spend time kicking her to the point it mucks up her play time. Is it so bad someone moves from the stereotype of thin/hairy/beautiful/mutatedbytaintfromattractiveness (Pick any two) stereotype?

Er, bull. Beauty standards vary depending on society and from person to person. I believe a number of historical examples in art are avaliable from nothing more than a cursory look at Wikimedia commons.

Bull. If being thin was easy, nobody would be overweight; in fact, staying at an ideal weight for your height is actually rare; the majority of the population is at least slightly above that, and a good portion of the remaining people are well under it.

Smoking is socially unacceptable in public. I don't see anyone barging into people's houses and telling them to stop smoking because it's bad for their health. The reason it's unacceptable in public is that it disturbs people and spreads carcinogen substances into the immediate vicinity. Chewing tobacco is, to the best of my knowledge, not illegal anywhere. In fact, I think it's more socially acceptable than smoking, as long as you don't spit it out in public. Snorting cocaine is is much more serious than smoking, chewing tobacco, or being overweight; it has worse consequences, and people under the influence of cocaine can be mentally unstable and thus, dangerous not only to themselves but to others; the same applies to alcohol, but it's definitely a cultural fact that alcohol is tolerated and cocaine isn't.

You're being prejudicious for no good reason. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being overweight, nothing that concerns you, at least - To wit, someone else being overweight doesn't make your life worse. You also can't tell by looking at someone walking down the street, whether they're overweight as a symptom (IE, they have a hormonal condition) or as a condition (And calling this a 'condition' is stretching the limits of the term). As a matter of fact, most overweight people have a mix of several factors; usually, both bad habits (Which nearly everyone has - Maybe you can attest to eating healthy, but not everyone who is thin can. Similarly, there are plenty of overweight people who eat more healthily, or just as healthily, as the medium) and metabolical differences - Oh, and a great deal of overweight people have more efficient metabolisms than the median of the population.

In my opinion, most of the people who have this kind of bigted attitude towards fat people have a bad self-image and need to think someone is worse than them to mantain self-esteem (And thus are both pathetic and on their way to bulimia or anorexia) are angry at fat people for other, subconscious or conscious reasons (My girlfriend dumped me for a fat guy! Whine whine!) or are trying to impersonate Maddox's awesome persona and failing miserably.

Lets not forget that some metabolisms (sorry, cant spell worth a dime. Hope you get that) make it harder for some to lose their weight. Nothing wrong at all with people who arent skinny, hell, Im skinny and I wish I could gain weight because Im unhealthy this way. Should people like me strive to gain wait, or should we stick to todays social standards?

As Verithrax said, there are so many time periods where someone being overweight was a -very good- thing. It meant you were -wealthy- and able to bear children well. Prehistory and the Victorian ages are good examples.