Atroglide sucks, at least for us. Bulls hurt like buggery, and it's a blind port onto the sphere next to capricorn, which spells danger for any enemy of Magnagora.

And yes, astrology is better than it used to be (believe me, I've had it since it was released - I might've been the first in the game to even learn the skill), but it's still impossible to use effectively other than as a faster version of aeon for wiccans.

Why do people keep talking about Runes? This thread is about Astrology.

Cause its needed more help for longer than Astrology? And has never really gottenany?

Because runes sucks too.

Astroglide is -nice.- If Celest decided to cause problems with us we'd have noooo other way to get to Astral.

Right, but it's a quick way to get to Astral without having to go through the City nexus for wiccans (well, for Shadowdancers anyway). And a quick way to return to your city nexus for guardians.

Would be more useful if we could teleport DOWN from Taurus too, to be fair...

Conglutination?

Its both a cross-planar teleport and a cure for everything! NERFIT!

Runes vs. Hexes:
Runes cost money and prep time. Hexes cost mana.
Supersling is trans. Doublewhammy is fabled.
Supersling doesn't mask, Doublewhammy does.
Runes has little variety. Hexes has a lot of variety.
Runes can be superslung at range, hexes can only be pushed.

The only thing going for runes is being able to embed them, really, and I'd rather have motes for that.

Astrology is too random. It's hellishly strong at it's peak, but that happens what, once a decade? The rest of the time it just doesn't seem worth it. It is nice that it has some utility, and isn't total crap, but it really could use some work.

Runes has been hurting forever, and needs loving too.

(And hexes could use a quick look, while I'm at it. Cure changes nerfed the overpowered aspects, is the rest good enough still?)

Astrology not letting you come down after astroglide would seem to be incredibly annoying.

Well, Estarra did say Astrology is not expected to be taken by many.

EDIT: nevermind

Astrology is funky if you're an un-legendary fighter sparring other un-legendary fighters ... It's a great way to get some nasty afflictions early on, without huge lesson investment. Likewise, you can get semi-masked afflictions (after all, not many people at my combat ability level have checked their nativities to find out what the various rays actually *do*) quite cheaply. No power, slight mana/willpower cost, equilibrium time... suh-weet! Plus, Papaxi rays can actually be helpful. Well, except the ego one. Maybe if you were fighting a telepath... but then again, maybe not. Passive buffs are always nice, too. Even if they do only come around once every now and then.

That's because even trying to EXPLAIN it to envoys causes them headaches if they don't have it themselves.

Yea, haha. If I take over Envoy for Moondancers, at least I won't be going "Huh?" all the time.

Doooo it...

Narsrim hasn't been around in months, and with how inactive Derian's been... well we need an active Envoy, all these summits are just passing us by.

We need a Patron for an Envoy and we're still in mourning for Lisaera.

Don't say that.

All warriors > minority of guardians and wiccans

Even better: Give Warriors the choice of Astrology, so it gets fixed faster.