To be honest, the only "problem" I can see with Raziela is that her health is not that high with that many people. But like we've said, 18 people is a hell of a lot, especially when the majority of those people were not lowbies.

I agree... I was perhaps one of the lowbies and I'm level 65

Symbols really ought to be easier to get, yes. The spikes especially are a pain - five hours of nonstop bashing and questing minimum, if you're really dedicated.

I think the only time I didn't die was the first attempt where we forgot the corpses. The others, I died twice per trip. Wasn't that easy, but didn't take forever because we had lots and lots and lots and lots of people. The people with the lowest circle were Gavriel/Ithy/Lazurus I think, who are in their late 50's. The rest were around 60-80's like Orti, Ildaudid, Anja, Lyco, Yuniko etc. , and we had the biggies like Daevos/Athana/Ixion/etc. there. I highly doubt there is a bug - it was just good coordination good numbers, and good leadership.

I though Lazurus was high 60's

I think that's around the 50's, but I might be wrong

Yep, that's lowish 50s.

The biggest problem with needing the spikes/supplicants is that if there are a bunch of high level people doing them, the novices can't do them, and those are two of the best novice quests in the game for gold, experience, and helping your city at the same time

Novices can't spike for the most part.

Right, supplicants are way better in just about every way. Spikes are still great for levels 30-50, though.

They shouldn't be any easier to get; you should have to work for them. You just shouldn't have to do it all over again when your Supernal/Demonlord dies.

Well, that's what I mean. Either that or make the 'quest' to attain them more interesting.

But how often does it happen that we kill Supernals? I mean besides yesterday? If you pacted with a supernal for the rewards, then you should have to suffer like the supernal suffered and earn it back.

Easy for you to say. Go get 100 spikes, now do it again.

I have enough problems with not hitting mobs. On top of other warrior issues, I don't have time to go spiking. Then again, I don't have to I didn't deep bond with any damn Demonlord/Supernal. I am my own man. I do what I want.

I'll agree that spikes are alot more involved in accomplishing. But how many times have you had to gather all that essence then do the deepbonding stuff since you've had to do that. um.. let me count.

I'm not sure if this is addressed at me, but let me clarify:

200 spikes/supplicants is not a small amount of work, especially when the rest of your guild is trying to rebuild their symbols at the same time.

Took me two weeks to deepbond Shakiniel the first time Haven't decided if its worth the effort to do again.

I don't see the problem with going and getting Symbols again. I mean, it's not like we always get +30% stat boosts from the Divine.

What? How is there any correlation between symbols and stat boosts?