I'm hoping to have a Celest and Glomdoring team destroy the Serenwilde and turn it into a kiddie park. In fact I should get back to the game and work on making that happen.

And indeed ice cream cake for the win.

AMEN

Strangely enough, I find myself agreeing with this statement. Why on earth was it deemed necessary to "water down" Glomdoring and it's RP while I was gone? That's essentially what was done, and Glomdoring rather than fighting it, is PUSHING for it! It just blows my mind.

I'm just curious, and I've been around since Glomdoring started, how exactly has Glom's RP been watered down?

Glomdoring went from that, from being Tainted, despising the weak fae creatures, enslaving them and binding them in shadow, often torturing them sadistically...

Now look! They are protectors of the Fae! They don't harm Fae! They want to be -just- like Serenwilde. Hell maybe even ally with Serenwilde. They aren't tainted anymore, oh no, it's Wyrd, no more taint. We are much nicer than we used to be.

This = Watered Down from what it originally was. It's all fluff. And you continue pushing for it, trying to make Glomdoring and Serenwilde more alike. I guess the Glomdoring leadership is to be blamed, none of them had the fortitude to do things right how it should have been, they broke under Serenwilde's initial "pressure" and softened things up.

Looking back, good point. It would have been interesting to see Glomdoring maintian that RP.

Ah. Well interestingly enough, you see, that wasn't working.

It's all fine and well to give a hardassed RP to a new, emerging nation. It's quite another thing to actually be able to pull that off. Glomdoring, for lack of a better way to put this, was being decidedly pwned pretty much daily at the beginning, and really, it wasn't until fairly recently that it has been able to even stand (albeit shakily) on its own two feet.

There is little logic to screaming "F'ai Glomdoring" as you die for the tenth time trying to get one person out of your forest, so RP had to shift a bit. The concepts given to Glomdoring were adapted and redefined. We still stand by the original tenets, but use them differently. I apologize for the lack of fighting skill in the commune. And I am sorry that Glomdoring isn't giving you the challenge you hoped for, Tuek. Unfortunately, we can't all have Narsrims and Tueks fighting on our side.

Of course, this begs the question...what happened to Serenwilde's RP? Weren't you all supposed to be the introverts, tucked away from society, shunning the outside world? Things change because sometimes, even the best laid plans just don't pan out the way you think they will. Is it worth bitching about? Sure. But the changes you seem to want to see are going to involve a lot more than just Glomdoring's cooperation, and surely, you can see that too.

More Glomdoring victim BS.

Where's Murphy to chime in with "Harden up, Princess."


It's all because the early Glomdoring and current Glomdoring leadership is weak. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm mildly curious how Glomdoring would have turned out with Visaeris and crew leading (Erion, Guido, etc). *shudder* Horrible thought... but would it have turned out as poorly as with the current leadership who couldn't stick with the concept and whined till the Administration relented and softened the "new and unique" roleplay to be more Serenwilde-like?

Why is every response to your questions, regardless of how truthful, victim BS?

If you're going to post, at least be, oh I don't know, able to see more than one side of the story?

Honestly, your crying about Glom being the victim is starting to sound a bit like a spoiled child who just refuses to believe that things can be anything other than what he wants. Grow up a bit, Tuek. Not every statement of fact is whinging.

Sorry if this post gets here late, but it took me 10 minutes to even GET here due to the lag I'm having for some reason.

Putting blame on individuals is too harsh. It's not entirely because of Glomdoring that things turned out this way. I don't think the players have as much control as you're assuming over the way events and such turn out. Besides which, I don't think there's exactly a lack of support for the way Glomdoring's turned out FROM Glomdoring, only a lack of enthusiasm for the way everyone else has been reacting to it.

If it's accepted that it's a problem and that there ARE constructive ways of fixing it even without knowing what they are, I think it's fine. :/

I'm just pointing out, and a few others seem to agree, that the initial and original stated Glomdoring RP was fine. However a few vocal whiners didn't like the Commune getting beat on (They knew what they were getting in too) so things were softened for their benefit. Now rather than being unique, it's more like a second version of Serenwilde.

It shouldn't have been a problem once they got the Commune defenses in place (like now currently) and a few basic changes were made (the flow changes, the removal of wisp, etc etc, all the things that made Commune verse Commune combat very awkward and painful for the weaker side).

Yes Glomdoring got beat on. They had like 5 guards and no totems. Flow was worldwide. Wisp worked local area in any forest. Buried sigils had no effect. Spores ignored sigils. This REALLY made it hard on Glomdoring. Very painful for them. However it was a MECHANICAL problem. Pointing out Glomdorings RP wasn't "working" because they were getting slaughtered, is illogical, because they were being destroyed by mechanics, not due to their RP. Once these things are rectified, they could have continued with that RP.

You're a whale of a wife!

Shulgin

P.S. Don't ask.

I don't know what victim BS your talking about.

I do know, that the way glomdoring is, was basically force fed to us from day one. Never once was Rowenna RPed by the Admin the way she was portrayed in the Histories.

Since the very beggining, when Viravain was asking Rowena to pass on the mantle of Night, and to give Birth to something, Viravain detested the undead, and Rowena was whining and complaining "woe is me."

There was also the fact that many in the Glomdoring leadership from day one, wanted to bring Fain into the commune, and make a real Magnagoran empire.

So I'm not sure what stereotypes people are comming up with, but they don't reflect reality.


Mind you, I'm not complaining about how things turned out, I'm merely pointing out that what the Glomdoring leadership, i.e. Me, Chade, Nayl, Ethelon, Tharruk, Syrienne, wanted was not what the game wanted. They even created the divine Consulate at this time which made the plans impossible. (And Fain told me that was going to happen)

Since then, Glomdoring has reflected Viravain, as Viravain is Glomdoring, and Glomdoring is Viravain. So taking your assumptions of what Glomdoring should be like, from histories written pre-Viravain is not very accurate or helpfull.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about, Tuek. It's not like there was a short initial period of adjustment, and then Glomdoring was on equal footing with everyone else. It's more like it got a late start, was an easy target, and kept getting kicked while it was down so it never got a chance to get up until very recently. It took, what, over 1 RL year to sway Faethorn to Night for the first time? Are you under the impression that people were lazy and not trying the whole time? There's this myth that we don't have a village because we don't really care. Ha! In every revolt, every able body goes out and works like mad: we just don't have enough able bodies.

It's really difficult to retain new players when you're never making any progress because your low population doesn't allow you to win villages, and someone raids EtherGlom sometimes over a dozen times a day and retrieves every last fae you manage to get. Quite frankly, it's a depressing atmosphere to play in, it's a vicious cycle, and there's no end in sight. The only people who stay are those who are sufficiently into pure RP that they don't care about military/political losses (great, doesn't help), and people like me who have a thing for helping the underdog (we're not many, and our patience does run out eventually). I think Glomdoring's come leaps and bounds since I joined about 5 months ago, and even so, we're only barely starting to be able to compete.

So, yes, RP had to shift to something more diplomatic in an attempt to try to lessen conflict. I'd like to see it shift back eventually, but even now, we'd still not be able to pull off a highly aggressive stance without getting decimated. Serenwilde players seem to think Glomdoring's "usurping" their role. I would say the change is a response to the fact that there was already a Forest Without Mercy when Glomdoring came on the scene, and it was a lot more established and hence competent at it.

Finally, I think Glomdoring players are pretty darn happy with their RP and don't feel that it's similar at all to Serenwilde's RP. If Serenwilde players feel their RP is no longer distinct and that it needs to be defined in relation to Glomdoring... maybe they're the ones who need to reconsider their RP. It's a little presumptuous to announce on the forums that there's a problem with Glomdoring, let's overhaul it.

Tuek.. seriously.. do you even know what you're talking about? Not a single organization has stuck to its original RP.

Serenwilde was supposed to be an introverted group of City-haters. They hated Cities first, and the Taint second; Farella makes this clear in that she is more than willing to close down the Serenwilde and let the Taint flourish if it means annihilating both the cities, because then they could deal with the Taint. After the cities were dust.

Magnagora was supposed to be a suave political power. They were supposed to be a city of politicians who loved refinement and beauty, despite their undeadness, and who punished those who weren't pretty enough. They were supposed to be ones who realized there was a path other than brute force to get things done.

Celest was supposed to be the raging zealots, who burned everything to the ground that didn't agree with them. They were supposed to be on a mission to destroy the taint, make up for past sins, and not care in the slightest about anyone else. Magnagora was their fault. Serenwilde might as well have murdered everyone in Old Celest. They were supposed to be the Basin's war mongers.

Now.. tell me.. do any of those descriptions sound like our current Basin? Not even a little. But that's how all of the orgs were set up to be, yet I don't see you blaming any of them for taking the "easier" routes.

Honestly, I think the Fain-order pro-Mag attempted takeover of Glomdoring was what pushed Glomdoring away from being 'Tainted Forest' and into being 'Wyrd'. Because of the way players and/or charecters seize on 'Taint' as a black and white dividing line, everything was being very rapidly pushed in the direction of Glomnagora being even more of a grim reality than Celenwilde. The Wyrd has allowed for there to be much more variety, back-and-forth, and intrigue. It isn't 'watering down' Glom's RP - it's keeping it from being 'Magnagora with alchemy and no lich'.

So.... instead you're going for Serenwilde, but purple? :confused:


EDIT: Not that I agree with what Tuek said, but what you said confused me.

No, we're doing something totally unexpected: being unique.

"We love our forest"
"We protect the Fae"
"We hate the cities"
"We revere the Great Spirits"
"We want to spread our forest throughout the Basin"

I'm apparently missing the part you're aiming for that makes you unique. Please add to the list?

As far as I know, Glomdoring does not protect the fae, they listen to the Fae's wishes.

I don't know about the rest of glodoring, but Daganev doesn't hate the cities, as much as he finds them foolis for listening to a bunch of half formed, instead of listening to Great spirits. Meaning, he would deal with them if they would respect glomdoring for what it was. If he hated them, he wouldn't want to give them any business at all.