Remind me which of those you actually do? I think it's only 5 and sometimes 4.

I hate fae!

We actually do all of them. Not that you care, Purplewilder

So does Shorlen, but that doesn't mean he doesn't protect them

The Wyrd is how we're unique. We believe in it, and Viravain through it (or the other way around, sometimes).

Also, unless you haven't noticed, the teachings of Crow and Night are rather different from those of Hart and Moon.

Its MauveWilder.. silly. Read the darn room descriptions.

It's purple, stop being pedantic.

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Do you realise how many nations on this earth can say "We love our country. We hate some other countries. We revere our God. We want to spread our influence abroad," and are at war with each other? And they're at war with each other precisely because they hold those views, but with regards to different countries and different Gods.

Glomdoring doesn't hate the cities; it's merely somewhat distrustful and disdainful of them. I'll grant you that I wish it had a different stance towards the fae. But how could the rest of those points even differ? "We don't love our forest? We don't revere the Great Spirits? We don't want to spread our forest throughout the Basin?" What makes Glomdoring unique is the bizarre, twisted, dark, creepy nature of its forest (and how everyone in Glomdoring thinks this is not only normal, but beautiful and perfect), and the often perverse teachings of its Spirits. It's not Magnagora with trees, and it's not emo-Serenwilde. It's plenty different.

I fail to understand the point of complaint in this thread - at all. And I find it very odd that Seren players have this urge to push Glomdoring's RP in a different direction. (I also get the strong feeling that the main problem is, since Glomdoring refuses to mistreat fae horribly, Serenwilders can't feel quite as morally in the right anymore. And if only that were to change, we would not hear any comments.)

I just loathe hypocracy. Glomdoring's players keep saying how unique and special they are, how different they are from everyone else, and how much better they are because of these differences. But... what differences? The wyrd is just a word, so don't give me that

I think its clear that Glomdoring has some mad event-griefing skillz.

On these forums Glom has become the "Narsrim of Events".

In reality however, people need to get a grip on reality and give the little urple forest some room.

Maybe some people don't know how to be evil and manipulative without lying?

I'll tell you now, its not that hard. and I think Shayle has it down pat.

The Wyrd is a way of life man...

Wyrd is a "reality" within the game of Lusternia.

i'm not sure what you mean its just a word.

it mechanics are different from that of taint, and different from that of "ethereal forest"

er.. Serenwilde wants to spread its forest throughout the Basin? Since when? Serenwilde is about healing the Basin, not taking it over like a nasty strain of weed.

Turning everything into the Serenwilde would not heal the Basin, it would choke and destroy a very large bit of it, because guess what? Not all plants and animals can survive in a forest

I think that is one difference-- Serenwilde is loyal to nature. All of nature. Including the rock and the river and the grasslands. They are about Nature.

Glomdoring, on the other hand, is loyal to their forest and their forest alone. They have no problem with their physical forest extending and choking out anything that cannot survive the change in environment.

Serenwilde is about Balance and Harmony, which is expressed by Moon and Hart.

Glomdoring is about Evolution and Survival, which is expressed by Night and Crow.

Veeeeeeeery different concepts, and personally, Glomdoring's RP exemplifies their backbone of evolution and survival--"Well, we're getting crushed currently...so.. let's adapt!"

I wonder why people are so against an org being flexible as part of its essence? People get whiny when an org changes.. but I think that's what makes Glomdoring so unique.. is one of the only orgs capable of that sort of complete bend and flex. I love that fact about them.

Incorrect. Try again.

Glomdoring -is- part of Nature: a corrupted (in the eyes of Serenwilde) part of Nature that needs to be kept in check. Mother Night has a purpose; however, she rejects it (in the eyes of Serenwilde) and tends to her own selfish needs.... but she is still a part of Nature.

and note: This argument (more or less) was/is supposed by Lisaera and Charune.

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In sum, Serenwilde is not loyal to "all Nature."

Lisaera used to say that the Wyrd was Tainted as well. Obviously that's not a part of nature. Charune's opinions do seem to differ though.

It would be great if those differences were real. Unfortunately, they're just not - Glomdoring isn't about those things, they're as much about balance and harmony as Serenwilde is. They DON'T want to expand their forest to choke out everything else, and Serenwilde is clearly NOT loyal to all of Nature (given recent events).

Personally, I wish Glomdoring DID take up the role they were given from the histories, at least in some sense. But as is the right of any player, they took it in a completely different direction, the same one as Serenwilde. I've tried enough to argue for Glomdoring to change, and it just isn't fair (or effective) for me to do so.

Because of this, the current situation is absolutely abhorrent for me in terms of the roleplay between the fae, Serenwilde and Glomdoring, and I give up. If this change allows Glomdoring to have what they want without destroying the meaning of what Serenwilde stands for, let's do it. Since they are going the route of 'just another commune' anyway, lets complete the untainting so that there's no contradiction to our purpose.

I don't care what overall originality we lose - we've lost most of it already - just please let's stop destroying what is left of Serenwilde's belief in itself.

Wait.. so they're supposed to fight pointlessly just so that it seems like they're trying to expand their forest? They don't have the population to be a force of conquest.. but that doesn't mean that isn't their goal. I think its really ignorant of you to assume that they've changed anything. They are an organization about adaptation.. why is it surprising that they are playing smart enough to not go gallavanting around trying in vain to conquer the world?

There are major differences in ideologies, if you'd just stop whinning long enough to see them, but you don't, Elryn, you seemingly always take this route--bitch and moan and stand adamant that things just aren't right, and that other people aren't being true to the way things are supposed to be. You did it with Faelings and you're doing it again. STOP.

And yes, Narsrim, Serenwilde does value all Nature. They want to cure Night and Crow, not permantly kill them, where as Night and Crow could care less whether or not Moon and Stag are eradicated, no matter what sort of imbalance that brings to the world.

Not by definition. Auseklis was pretty big on saying that nature could take care of itself. By the same token, there's nothing forcing them to stop taking care of it. It's going to have to be a player choice.

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Ok, Elryn. Here's the thing. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you have no idea what you're asking for, aside from something to rest your troubled conscience.

1) Completely and unequivocally "untainting" Glomdoring would probably create a new predicament for you. What're you going to do and feel when the conflict doesn't stop? We don't want the conflict to stop. The conflict is not going to stop. I have a glorious premonition that it'll just cause you more frustration.

2) The grey area that causes you so much emotional distress is not going to go away, barring a major change in Glomdoring's leadership. Thus, like the real world, you're going to have to forever live with the notion that Glomdoring might be right and Serenwilde might be wrong, and you're going to have to account for that in all that you do. You're going to have to just deal with that. Sorry. (Ok, no, not really.)