Unknown2006-07-22 10:42:29
156 damage sword (not the best), 176 with runes+drawdown. 18 str.
Damage to an 80 cutting (which translates to 40% if I'm not wrong) armoured person, no other def:
622
That's pathetically low. Here's a call for heavy-artied warriors - post your results with damage weapons, so that I might know how much you have to invest to make damage-based combat viable. Especially if you have artifact runes. I'm looking at you, Daevos and Ixion.
Damage to an 80 cutting (which translates to 40% if I'm not wrong) armoured person, no other def:
622
That's pathetically low. Here's a call for heavy-artied warriors - post your results with damage weapons, so that I might know how much you have to invest to make damage-based combat viable. Especially if you have artifact runes. I'm looking at you, Daevos and Ixion.
Unknown2006-07-22 13:04:22
All I know is Daevos does 1600+ to me with his sword.
Geb2006-07-22 20:45:36
QUOTE(Cuber @ Jul 22 2006, 11:42 AM) 310454
156 damage sword (not the best), 176 with runes+drawdown. 18 str.
Damage to an 80 cutting (which translates to 40% if I'm not wrong) armoured person, no other def:
622
That's pathetically low. Here's a call for heavy-artied warriors - post your results with damage weapons, so that I might know how much you have to invest to make damage-based combat viable. Especially if you have artifact runes. I'm looking at you, Daevos and Ixion.
Is that a combo or just the swing of one weapon?
Athalas2006-07-22 20:55:27
I'd expect it to be the swing of one, as she only posted one weapon.
Unknown2006-07-22 20:55:33
QUOTE(geb @ Jul 22 2006, 10:45 PM) 310552
Is that a combo or just the swing of one weapon?
One swing. But the target didn't have any protection sans a mediocre field plate... well, helm actually.
Unknown2006-07-22 21:19:45
1244 damage to someone undeffed plus wounding, who is wearing field plate sounds pretty decent to me considering those are very poor swords. And I can hit 18 strength as a Tauren Wiccan...
Geb2006-07-22 21:33:59
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Jul 22 2006, 10:19 PM) 310567
1244 damage to someone undeffed plus wounding, who is wearing field plate sounds pretty decent to me considering those are very poor swords. And I can hit 18 strength as a Tauren Wiccan...
I agree that it is pretty decent damage depending on what the health of the person tested on was at the time. It is enough to help keep the person from being able constantly apply health to his/her wounds, allowing the wounds to slowly pile up.
Unknown2006-07-22 22:58:18
I'm pretty sure that "decent" damage is not enough to kill anyone but below decent combatants. And you don't really need special weapons to dispose of them. Wounds in this scenario might pile up slowly - but take note of the slowly part. Damage of this kind is NOT enough to stop the enemy from grinding into you, and even if you make it slightly higher with war blessings or having 180 instead of 160 damage swords (at the cost of precision or speed!), it's still not good enough.
In other words: Daevos does 1600 damage in one hit. Ixion does about 1800 in one combo. I want to know how. Telling me that 1200 damage in a combo is good enough is not only simply untrue, but is not the answer to my question.
In other words: Daevos does 1600 damage in one hit. Ixion does about 1800 in one combo. I want to know how. Telling me that 1200 damage in a combo is good enough is not only simply untrue, but is not the answer to my question.
Geb2006-07-22 23:21:23
QUOTE(Cuber @ Jul 22 2006, 11:58 PM) 310620
I'm pretty sure that "decent" damage is not enough to kill anyone but below decent combatants. And you don't really need special weapons to dispose of them. Wounds in this scenario might pile up slowly - but take note of the slowly part. Damage of this kind is NOT enough to stop the enemy from grinding into you, and even if you make it slightly higher with war blessings or having 180 instead of 160 damage swords (at the cost of precision or speed!), it's still not good enough.
In other words: Daevos does 1600 damage in one hit. Ixion does about 1800 in one combo. I want to know how. Telling me that 1200 damage in a combo is good enough is not only simply untrue, but is not the answer to my question.
I am pretty sure it is enough to kill decent people, since my damage weapon seems to only do about 1.1k damage to people I fight with health that is greater than 4k. It has 373 damage, and that is with the level 3 stat runes and elemental runes. It definitely did enough to kill your character.
silimaur2006-08-06 07:10:27
um ixions weapons are stupidly overpowered...they are prenerf monsters that evidently are not going to be changed despite how unfair they are (and this isnt actully ixions fault though he could smelt them i guess). Like aerenna said though the point is that ixion can do this much where as it is impossible for any other blademaster to reach this amount of damage now, it doesnt matter how many credits you have or how many reforges people can never get weapons that good because of the caps, this itself is unfair as either everyone should be able to do the same, all have swords like ixions, or no one should
im sure aerenna would be happy with the damage her swords did if she had the knowledge that everyone else was the same as her
im sure aerenna would be happy with the damage her swords did if she had the knowledge that everyone else was the same as her
Ixion2006-08-07 01:08:42
No more unfair than fighting a druid with artifact soap is.
Edit: And actually.. even with 180 damage swords it is possible to achieve the damage I did back in Magnagora. As the Myth Busters would say, "Busted."
Edit: And actually.. even with 180 damage swords it is possible to achieve the damage I did back in Magnagora. As the Myth Busters would say, "Busted."
Daganev2006-08-07 03:41:05
I assume it has to do with Omen and sensitivty, but I could be wrong.
Geb2006-08-07 06:18:36
QUOTE(Ixion @ Aug 7 2006, 02:08 AM) 316149
No more unfair than fighting a druid with artifact soap is.
Edit: And actually.. even with 180 damage swords it is possible to achieve the damage I did back in Magnagora. As the Myth Busters would say, "Busted."
Artifact soap has been nerfed. Also, using omen and puissance was intended to do that much damage. There are also added defenses against it, allowing the person to avoid the temporary increase in damage. Your damage is not temporary, since your weapons are eternally yours. So, the only way to truly avoid your damage is to not fight you. Even the old style of hindering is not enough, since you are Titan and can writhe out of entanglements almost as fast as a faeling, but does not have the low strength characters of that race normally possess. People complained about allowing prenerfs to remain ingame when the caps were first put in. Now your present damage points out that those people who did complain back then are right.
Anyhow, Cuber should not be complaining that he needs more damage than 1200, when in fact his complaint is that he does not do as much damage as a person like Ixion does. Ixion's case is definitely not the norm and it really needs to be looked into by the admin in my opinion. So it should not be the standard by which he compares his damage potential and determines whether he does enough damage in combat or not. Again, my damage weapon only does around 1100-1200 to people with over 4k health, yet I still find it to be enough damage to take most of my targets out. Being able to do 1800-2200 to a person per round is definitely not needed to be successful in warrior combat.
Ixion2006-08-07 09:45:58
QUOTE(geb @ Aug 7 2006, 02:18 AM) 316259
Artifact soap has been nerfed. Also, using omen and puissance was intended to do that much damage. There are also added defenses against it, allowing the person to avoid the temporary increase in damage. Your damage is not temporary, since your weapons are eternally yours. So, the only way to truly avoid your damage is to not fight you. Even the old style of hindering is not enough, since you are Titan and can writhe out of entanglements almost as fast as a faeling, but does not have the low strength characters of that race normally possess. People complained about allowing prenerfs to remain ingame when the caps were first put in. Now your present damage points out that those people who did complain back then are right.
Anyhow, Cuber should not be complaining that he needs more damage than 1200, when in fact his complaint is that he does not do as much damage as a person like Ixion does. Ixion's case is definitely not the norm and it really needs to be looked into by the admin in my opinion. So it should not be the standard by which he compares his damage potential and determines whether he does enough damage in combat or not. Again, my damage weapon only does around 1100-1200 to people with over 4k health, yet I still find it to be enough damage to take most of my targets out. Being able to do 1800-2200 to a person per round is definitely not needed to be successful in warrior combat.
I said nothing of omen or sensitivity. Read my post again; I'm relating that it is possible to exceed the damage I did as an Ur'Guard with post nerf (180 damage) weapons. Such damage is not temporary. If you want to be a true damage warrior you have to invest in it.
Geb2006-08-07 13:30:36
QUOTE(Ixion @ Aug 7 2006, 10:45 AM) 316286
I said nothing of omen or sensitivity. Read my post again; I'm relating that it is possible to exceed the damage I did as an Ur'Guard with post nerf (180 damage) weapons. Such damage is not temporary. If you want to be a true damage warrior you have to invest in it.
Name one person that obtains that damage with those weapons? I know that I have a 373 damage sword with all of the works (which would equate to 186.5 per broadsword), but I do not obtain damage above 1600 with my weapon even at 19 str. That is 4300 in credits... What bigger investment are you talking about? The only time anyone else has approached or exceeded your damage recently is through additional abilities in their skill-sets. The only time warriors were doing the damage that you are doing now is back when elemental runes converted 50% of the damage. As you well know, that conversion was found to be overpowered. So this true damage warrior by your own definition is only you, because no one else can approach it without the aid of skills that give a temporary burst in damage.
Forren2006-08-07 14:05:36
QUOTE(geb @ Aug 7 2006, 06:18 AM) 316259
Ixion's case is definitely not the norm and it really needs to be looked into by the admin in my opinion. So it should not be the standard by which he compares his damage potential and determines whether he does enough damage in combat or not. Again, my damage weapon only does around 1100-1200 to people with over 4k health, yet I still find it to be enough damage to take most of my targets out. Being able to do 1800-2200 to a person per round is definitely not needed to be successful in warrior combat.
Ixion was doing 1200 damage per -swing- to Kahazul in one of the other threads.
The damage is pretty nuts.. imagine omen with Titan Ixion.
Ixion2006-08-07 16:46:12
QUOTE(geb @ Aug 7 2006, 09:30 AM) 316325
Name one person that obtains that damage with those weapons? I know that I have a 373 damage sword with all of the works (which would equate to 186.5 per broadsword), but I do not obtain damage above 1600 with my weapon even at 19 str. That is 4300 in credits... What bigger investment are you talking about? The only time anyone else has approached or exceeded your damage recently is through additional abilities in their skill-sets. The only time warriors were doing the damage that you are doing now is back when elemental runes converted 50% of the damage. As you well know, that conversion was found to be overpowered. So this true damage warrior by your own definition is only you, because no one else can approach it without the aid of skills that give a temporary burst in damage.
I ran the numbers, it is possible to exceed the damage I did as an Ur'Guard, as I have said now three times. Just because no one has figured out how, doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Just because YOU cannot achieve my damage at the moment, doesn't mean no one else can. It's not even really something one would need to figure out, it's simply a matter of numbers and runes. Little known fact-- there are no less than two weapons that exist with a higher base damage than my own.
FYI, it is possible to beat my damage with a 373 claymore. Stop posting what you don't know about. There are four distinct reasons why, in your case, fail to achieve my current damage. As an Ur'Guard, there are two reasons.
Edit: Im assuming you mean 373 base damage claymore, btw. If the base is otherwise, I can revise my comments to reflect that.
Daganev2006-08-07 17:14:32
Karma blessings and everything, I still can't do more than 1300 on my average commune mate, with 20 str and 200 damage flails.
Geb2006-08-07 17:25:44
QUOTE(Ixion @ Aug 7 2006, 05:46 PM) 316348
I ran the numbers, it is possible to exceed the damage I did as an Ur'Guard, as I have said now three times. Just because no one has figured out how, doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Just because YOU cannot achieve my damage at the moment, doesn't mean no one else can. It's not even really something one would need to figure out, it's simply a matter of numbers and runes. Little known fact-- there are no less than two weapons that exist with a higher base damage than my own.
FYI, it is possible to beat my damage with a 373 claymore. Stop posting what you don't know about. There are four distinct reasons why, in your case, fail to achieve my current damage. As an Ur'Guard, there are two reasons.
Edit: Im assuming you mean 373 base damage claymore, btw. If the base is otherwise, I can revise my comments to reflect that.
Ixion, stop trying to act like you have some inside knowledge that no one else knows but you. Also, you have not discounted any of my statements with any facts. You only talk about running some numbers, but you do not display said numbers. I have fought all of the top warriors, and not one of them approaches your damage. None of them even with all of the blessings, weapon auras, etc can approach your damage without the use of burst damage skills like puissance or omen.
So in truth, the only mythical true damage warrior is you. The only reason why you are such is because of your pre-adjusted swords. Because in truth, if there was a way to approach your damage and maintain it without the use of burst damage boost skills, the likes of others who are far more skilled in warrior combat would have found it.
Ixion2006-08-07 17:26:07
Thanks for the PM Daganev, those are some pretty nice flails.. but if you want a bit more damage you're going to have to greatrune them with elemental runes