Where do the Katana come from?

by Unknown

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Unknown2006-07-24 16:32:04
Duh, I never said someone gave katanas undeserved praise, I only warned against doing so, thinking it ought to happen sooner or later.

Jesuel, if that comment was tongue-in-cheek, clarify it was. Because it sure as hell didn't look like one.
Azman2006-07-24 16:33:30
I am convinced that the katana came from the magical backpack of Trader Bob!!! What magical backpack you ask? (probe bob) Well he has it I tells yas!!! Azman IC, would like to snoop around and find this magical backpack but Trader Bob would probably give the meek elfen a sound whooping. Epp. mellow.gif

*chuckle* But seriously if I remember correctly in 'Bushido - The soul of Japan' by Inazo Nitobe, it mentions I remember, where the bodies of executed criminals were used as the test for japanese swordsmiths and their work. To be able to cut cleanly flesh, blood and bone in a single stroke does demand an expected level of quality to the katana. But as always, a weapon's worth is measured by the wielder. A weapon by whatever name, by whatever shape or form, physical or intangible, as long as it is effective in its application and is effectively applied, then it is a good weapon.

*chuckle* What was that saying in chinese philosophy (taoist?) on swordplay... I think it was - "The swordsman is he who carries no sword". (too lao tzu for me. *chuckle*)

Anyway, I strongly encourage anyone curious about rping a character along bushido lines, to take a read see in 'Bushido - The soul of Japan' by Inazo Nitobe. Published in 1905, it was an effort to allow the West to understand the culture of the then newly opened country. I enjoyed myself and learnt alot reading the book again and again some years back. I love how Inazo Nitobe ended the book by using the words of another. The lines were I think... it was in rhyme... biggrin.gif

"The traveler owns the grateful sense,
Of sweetness near, he knows not whence,
And pausing, takes with forehead bare,
The benediction of the air."


*chuckle* I knew I wrote it down somewhere. *rummages his old notebooks*

But of course, whenever I hear the word, 'katana', these words ever recites back;

Summer grass,
All that remains,
Of a warrior's dreams


*sighs smiling* It is always nice day dreaming of Old Japan. Anyway, Weeeee! laugh.gif
Unknown2006-07-24 16:35:22
that sticks you as a rogue tongue.gif
Verithrax2006-07-24 16:48:20
Katanas were put in place by Estarra to give us a crossover audience with Japan fanboys, just like furrikin exist to give us a crossover audience with furries, and Glomdoring exists to give us a crossover audience with emo kids.

Hehe. Actually, katanas are usually refered to as 'uber sharp and true and stuff' because the Japanese learned how to make high-quality steel much earlier, they learned to curve the blade for more sharpness earlier, and they had more professional and skilled craftsmen, in general. Thus, a 14th-century katana is roughly equivalent to a 16th-century English cavalry sabre. Moor, and consequently Spanish/Portuguese steel was almost as high-quality as katana steel, but the Europeans, unlike the moors, prefered double-edged straight blades, which take less skill and are easier to make, but not quite as obscenely sharp as curved, single-edged scimitars and katanas used by the Moorish and Japanese.

EDIT: Is Jesuel a 12-year-old?
Exarius2006-07-24 17:59:16
Regardless of their qualities, I find it extremely curious that we have katanas, and yet I had a "kimono dress" rejected on the grounds that an Oriental reference was unsuitable for Lusternia's theme.
Verithrax2006-07-24 18:55:23
I think it's simply that katanas fill a particular niche in swordmaking, and there isn't a Western word to talk about them.
Unknown2006-07-24 18:57:38
QUOTE(Exarius @ Jul 24 2006, 07:59 PM) 311103

Regardless of their qualities, I find it extremely curious that we have katanas, and yet I had a "kimono dress" rejected on the grounds that an Oriental reference was unsuitable for Lusternia's theme.


Just don't call it a kimono then, but make it look like a kimono.
Exarius2006-07-24 19:51:17
Did on the edit.

It just gets very frustrating that we have this supposedly inviolable theme that isn't.

I'd like to at least have a master list somewhere of things that have been approved and things that have been overruled.
Genos2006-07-24 22:16:32
They could have just made up a name for them like they did for the klangaxe. Name it the shanthsword or something equally unique (Yes I know shanthsword sounds stupid but I'm too lazy to make a cool name for it).
Daganev2006-07-24 22:40:10
The dracnablade tongue.gif

Did the dracarni have a vernal?
Diamondais2006-07-24 22:41:17
Tza was either Dracnari or Lucidian.
Daganev2006-07-24 23:00:39
We could call it the Tzazuki blade.
Unknown2006-07-24 23:20:11
Xyl was Lucidian. So we should make the Xylbot5000 fully armed wieldable robot with rocket launchers.
Genos2006-07-24 23:22:28
QUOTE(Brad @ Jul 24 2006, 07:20 PM) 311228

Xyl was Lucidian. So we should make the Xylbot5000 fully armed wieldable robot with rocket launchers.


No he wasn't, he fragmented into Lucidians. There is a difference, he was an Elder God not a Vernal God.
Unknown2006-07-24 23:24:01
Woops, still I would like a robot weapon, I really do need to read up on the gods history, where can I find that stuff?
Genos2006-07-24 23:25:00
Go to the main site and look under the Library section. Everything from Cosmogenesis and below is history.

EDIT: The History of the Elder Wars hasn't been fully released yet so it isn't there. I wish they would update the site with what has been released though.
Diamondais2006-07-24 23:34:32
You can take it out in the libraries.
Genos2006-07-24 23:39:58
Isn't it written in Divine though?
Diamondais2006-07-24 23:41:28
Theres a translated version, isnt there? I remember there being one.
Genos2006-07-24 23:42:01
Well I know two people had translated versions but I don't think they were actually up to date.