Riight.. so Glom is guilty because it had to ask Mag to come and break Seren demenses in ETHERGLOM? That's a bit silly. The no-break of EtherGlom/Wilde happened before Faethorn stopped being breakable as well. That is when Mag and Celest really got involved. But that was afterwards. Seren is pretty damn guilty in the situation of why EtherGlom/Wilde are unbreakable, while Mag/Glom can be blamed for Faethorn following suite.

As I said before, we have Saplings it should go back. Not everyone can chop or Mulch so theyre still a viable defense, but if it doesnt oh well. Well survive.

TWo sepperate issues.

One issue, can't create a demense

Two issue, can't break a demense.


MAges should be able to break demenses I think. Just not make thier own.

Um, more naive questions: What are the massive advantages communes still have at this point? Why should you be able to change terrain in EtherGlom when I can't do so on Water? I'd be very interested to hear your case for both, because I get the feeling that you're trying to push too far in the opposite direction - towards communes getting the short end of the stick.

The problem is that the etherwilde and etherglom are cosmic and elemental put together for us. We have most of the advantages of both, when the cities want us to have most of the disadvantages of both.

Well, yes, I was trying to get at the second bit of that politely. And I'm not sure I agree with the first bit, so I'm curious to hear these purported advantages (besides the unbreakable demesnes) enumerated.

No, not for the Etherglom stuff. But when it starts to leak into Faethorn, its not good. Thats just going a bit far seeing as its come to the point where Mages cant demesne at all, we have Saplings, Maeve yells and screams if we do anything in Faethorn and she gets very very heated when we even do -anything- in the Tree. So no one is quite innocent of any of this crap that we have in Faethorn.

If the cities had their way, EtherWilde/Glom would be just like Cosmic, and we'd still be much weaker in Faethorn then either of them are on their own elemental planes.

You have the potions, you deserve to be nerfed.

Source of essence, unterrainable, unmeldable, guards at the nexus, org conglut at the nexus. We also have no cubix entrance, though we do have docks. All Serenwilders can get there using the nexus, whereas for cities, only Guardians can use the nexus to get to cosmic, and only Magi can use the nexus to get to Elemental.

It makes sense that any Seren and Glom can use their Nexus to get to Ether seeing as its the next plane up so theyve got no room to complain there. Org conglute, they have it both spots. Essence, it requires bringing fae in and they have to stay there for a lusternia day. Then you have to find the animal. Guards, well theyve got that.

Things that they dont want us to have are the unbreakable terrain, and that totem.

They dont seem to get that once they get past that one totem and the guards they can send one group after the avatars and one for the aspects and force us to split our forces as theyre all just right there something of which you have to work for on the Cosmic and ELemental. Waves and Earthquakes are an annoyance, a really big one. No more room to complain so shush!

But the counter argument is that that is how Cosmic works, and that the avatars can take care of themselves. The big difference is that the angel/demon equivilents, the Ladies, take a lot of effort to summon, rather than coming back on their own.

Im more or less forgetting things like that right now.. Thanks.

So we're to not have an Elemental equivalent? Because faethorn is NOT it.

The creatures the Fae leave behind are the equilivants.

A few creatures are equivalent to an entire plane?

Supposedly.

Hmm wait a second, is a druid able to break a demense on Earth or Water?

If not, then I don't see what the whining is about.

Only the 'mancers can demesne their respective elemental planes.

It isn't like there's any point to raiding elemental. Anyway, I've always thought that demesnes not being able to be broken on elemental was wrong also. However, it's more wrong for them to be unbreakable on ethereal because it's really your equivalent of cosmic. Imagine if Celestia/Nil were unbreakable.