Thats what I meant by shafted, Guildskills are pretty much useless.

no rogues, at all. I like how lusternia has it set up that rogues have very limited things they can do.

I think I'm going to start using that term LFS for short.

Rogues can technically work, but you got to be more like a non-violent type, and not interested in establishing a powerbase. I'm going to be a "rogue" soon (I hate that term because it's got a negative connotation to it), but I don't have any guild skills at all, so the only thing is that the PoF replaces the Nexus as the teleport/conglutination zone.

Ialie and Exarius might also be good rogues, since I doubt neither of them are combative. Marina was GREAT as an independent. But I can't see anybody who wants to have a powerful combative character being a rogue.

While rogues are greatly discouraged in Lusternia, it does reach a point where it gets a bit ridiculous...
Example:

A haunting, harmonious note washes over you, clear as the sky and empty as the Void,
filling you with an awe-struck sense of horror. The boundless beauty of the note is
matched only by its promise of endless despair - the beauty of a heart as still as the
grave and twice as cold.
You gasp and stumble as part of your precious energy reserves are sapped from you.
You gasp and stumble as part of your precious energy reserves are sapped from you.

WTF.. That's all I can come up with.. WTF. Someone decided to create a, from what I've heard so far, god-like mob that saps your energy reserves. This is utterly ridiculous.. I have no nexus to draw from, even though I can clearly teleport to the Portal of Fate (read teleport ab file). And this whole energy draining thing didn't start until I quit the commune... Irony?

I dislike how Lusternia treats rogues. It's either conform with this org's politics, join the opposing org, or else. One extreme or the other. Example- the current war between Serenwilde and Celest... If you're a Seren, you either support the war or sit back and remain idle. No trading, no earning gold. Can't trade with Magnagora or Glomdoring for obvious IG reasons based on Serenwilde's teachings throughout history. Nil forbid you actually voice your opposition to the war. So what else is there to do- join Celest, quit and suffer, be forced to alter your rp, or sit idle and wait for it to end.

Hey.. I just thought of a use for Ackleberry.. a commune without a formal government just for those forestal rogues out there who wish to practice the arts they've learned... Ah, so much for wishful thinking.

Well, since I can't forestcast (can still meld, though..), darkseed, rebirth (which probably means no transmigrate), stagstomp, and much more... I think I'll just spend my time harvesting and then selling at low prices. Have to make a living somehow..

Actually, that powerdrain is part of a quests Serens like to do. What they don't know is that the questmob is actually tainted and that she wants to destroy the whole basin. The song slowly extends and starts sapping energy in adjactant areas.

We don't ban trade with Magnagora at all. There's not even a tradeban on Glomdoring, as long as you don't trade with commune enemies. The only ban is on trading with Celest, and it's a ban THEY created. The ally status crap is like having a "Are you a traitor to the Serenwilde? Yes/No" box on an application - it's just an obvious trap to get people kicked out of the Wilde so more will join Celest.

Voicing your opinion against the war is fine, as long as you realize that the majority of the Serenwilde decided not to give in to ultimatiums and childish demands for attension. We had a referendum on it - it was overwhelmingly one-sided. Celest is attacking us for (in our eyes) no reason at all, murdering our novices and specifically targetting the young who can't defend themselves, and some Serenwilders are siding with Celest IC? WTF? I don't get it.

Um, I don't think we've kicked anyone out for being a Celest ally. Or are going to.

I don't get why anyone would want to be a rouge. I mean, there's no point to it. Yeah, sure, you'll live by your own laws, but you won't meet people easily, and you're not going to derive much fun from influencing all the time.

Kalo has...

And that's what should be done.

Hartstone has. We dont like traitors. Or at least people we believe to be traitors.

I just checked the logs and I'm not seeing it.

EDIT: Ah, Hartstone.

Oden was one.

Actually, not really; the ally stuff was an actual attempt to separate the anti-war Serens from the rest. Serenwilde just decided to interpret it as anyone on that list being a traitor.

Rogues are supposed to have it tough. When you forsake society as a whole you lose certain privelages and abilities, in Lusternia and in the real world.

But why does your dog stop listening to special commands, but remains completely loyal and will still listen to basic commands?

Because dogs are Man's best friend, and obviously the Man is, in this case, the organization which is keeping you down.

As I've been told many, many times before. You can't compare Lusternia to the real world.



Damn the man.



And that's Lusternia for you. You have to be in a "good" org or a "bad" org. If you ever want to switch, you have to do a 180 in your roleplay, in either switching to commune/city or good/bad. We all know it's true...

Serenwilde teachings, in straight forward terms, say that Magnagora is bad.. Celest is bad.. and Glomdoring is bad. It may not be said outright, but it's clearly there. Look at Serenwilde's history. Look at its dislike of the Taint. It's there. Just like with the official history.. Serenwilde did not like Celest. Now look at it, a lot of Serens, for a while, were open allies to Celest. I think Serenwilde's rp needs a bit of a rehashing to fit a bit more with history and IG teachings.. not to mention to at least preserve Serenwilde as its own unique org instead of an unpredictable and random org. There's no consistency now.

As for that referendum.. Somehow, in the back of my mind, I have a hunch that the referendum was influenced somehow. Perhaps by the over zealous combatants in the Wilde.. Perhaps through other means. I did find it odd, though, that the total number of votes far outweighed the average number of members online at peak. I would be a bit disappointed if people logged on simply to vote in a referendum.. How mant votes were there total? Around 100? Do 100 different members even log on over the course of 4 or so days for more than an hour? And then we have to consider alts.. But that's a topic that doesn't need to be discussed here...

I would love it if the voting system was a little different.. as in everyone could vote, but ranks (or something else) determined the weight of the vote. It gets a bit irksome when someone of high rank has no voice, and yet someone of lower rank becomes a minister or similar position of power in the org and suddenly becomes a major influence within that org.

Several have sided with Celest because Serenwilde started the war by being too prideful. Celest requested that hostilities be ceased or else they would respond in like. This is an understood between _any_ org. They simply decided to voice it. The terms, according to the request posted on the Serenwilde news boards, were reciprocal. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. It was as simple as that. Serenwilde chose to accuse Celest of making demands, however, it was Serenwilde who made demands when Shamarah became Duke. Remember when it was legal in Celest to bother with fae? Of course. Remember when Serenwilde voted to allow the slaying of angels? Of course, there's a war for it now.

Oh, and in response to your "childish demands" comment.. Do keep in mind that one of the lead Seren antagonists of this war is a known butt kisser to a certain Divine and is often seen acting very childish on his own... But we'll not name any names here. If anything, it's Serenwilde being childish..