Not the case of the bad and the good again... Honestly, you should understand one concept: ROLEPLAY.



again... ROLEPLAY.

Ah, the great god ROLEPLAY, who allows you to make any manner of OOC decision, then justify that decision behind an unassaible wall of illogic. All you have to do is invoke his name, and nothing else matters.

Good role-play is when you make real sacrifices for no tangible reason -- like refusing to kill lucrative MOBs that are ostensibly sentient. Good role-play is NOT just making up stuff to twist other players into fortifying your position of power.

Laying it on a bit thick aren't you?

Come to think of it... Honestly, you should understand one concept: I've done more role-play than most of Lusternia's players have done real life. I was playing RPGs when you could count every game in the hobby on one finger. I was playing D&D before there was any such thing as a Monster Manual. I even made my living writing for the bloody things before I phased it out to go into computers.

For thirty years I've watched people hide behind the words "role-play" while trashing real friendships and even ruining real lives. No matter what sort of artsy pretensions you may have about this hobby, refusing to care about what goes on behind the lies does not make you one ounce better than me.



Nope. Study your history, then watch what's happening in Serenwilde from the perspective of someone who's not a government insider.

Ah, here we go again, when is the "if your killer IC you're a killer OOC" going to come up?

I highly doubt Estarra’s motive behind Lusternia is to secretly breed a generation of mass-murderers and small cults of passive-aggressive anarchists.

Although Exarius' posts reek of "older than you, so I MUST be right" attitude, I found one part particulary interesting.



OMG! That explains where BoEF* came from!


(* Book of Erotic Fantasies, a rulebook for DnD. Honest!)

I sort of understand what Exarius is saying though. Roleplaying is a very important part of the game, but it is still a past-time, an amusement, and while I disagree with him about "your character is you", there is some cross-over that can lead to hurt feelings and misunderstandings. It is possible to lay things on too thick at times.

I do tend to notice there is a little bit of an "oust any threat" to the "loyal opposition" at times. Are the people in power that afraid they might lose a fair and square election? Orgs will change over time, just like the US President might be selected from the Democratic, Republican, or an Independent party. This is kind of why Houses were setup in Achaea, 'cause Sarapis noted that there was an "entrenched power base" that were getting elitist. I'm really curious how Exarius might have been a threat.

Of course, on the flip side, maybe this is an example of natural change, as Narsrim is also gone, and that sort of indicates things are changing in the Serenwilde's perspective.

Actually, i'm going to say that the Serenwilde has clung to its "personal freedom first!" to the point of choking itself quite a few times.

The rise of Glomdoring is a perfect example of this.

After Viravain went all whacky, quite a few Serens would sit around the Ravenwood and were basically Viravain groupies. And they were allowed to assist in raising Crow and everything else, because hey, "we had to give them a chance."

I, as Jairdan, accumulated a looot of hate during this time, because I refused to sit idly by. I got chastised more times than I can count, and told that we had to trust these people who were consorting with an insane, manipulative goddess. In the end, of course, most of those Serens did in fact jump ship, and early Glomdoring was built up with Seren supplies.

They really aren't trying to get absolute obedience. The fact that Munsia could get away with attacking commune members, and that people who are perma-enemies to a Seren guild could be allowed back into Serenwilde) and that the likes of Narsrim lasted so long, and now Ixion is around, shows that the leadership reeeally doesn't care about being in charge. They are, I believe, actually the weakest government in the game, in terms of "obedience" and crimes that go unpunished.

Pretty much, in Serenwilde, you're more likely to get ousted for being harmless-yet-annoying than you are for actually doing something wrong.

Uhh...

Lisaera told me, at least, to either leave the Ravenwood or leave Serenwilde. And the Summer Court was working on an alternate way to raise Crow for Viravain instead of the sacrifice-the-baby-route, but Magnagora went ahead and did it the normal way. The Court's members were still Serenwilde sympathizers at the time, and had the permission of the Moonhart Circle to be involved.

But yes, the Summer Court was also very much attached to Viravain...

I know the situation, given that Jairdan was with Ibaesha at the time. Lisaera may have disagreed, but the Moonhart Circle refused to act against the many people who weren't a part of the Summer Court and were still hanging around the Ravenwood. And even the situation with letting the Serens try and raise Crow through an alternate means was a bit silly. He was still tainted at the time, and Viravain didn't see the taint.. so what exactly were the chances of her returning him to Raven?

A lot of the issue was not wanting to step on toes. Because, in all reality, letting mortals hang out with an insane goddess and expecting them to influence her state of mind rather than the other way around is a bit silly

So, the leaders of the time were either naive and idealistic, or just plain stupid. I'd rather not insult them by assuming the latter

Pretty much, although there are limits. You mentioned Munsia, she's booted. You mentioned Narsrim, he finally left (though some would have wanted him gone earlier), Ixion and Athana, well, that's a decision I still don't understand. Not that they havne't proven their worth and loyalty , but most people still don't understand why the will of the people was more powerful than perma-enemy status. And yes, it -was- the will of the people, not the government. A referendum was held for both of them, and the Seren were overwhelmingly in favour of giving them another chance. Democracy at work.

Most people before the war who were booted were annoying or "bad" for a long time before finally getting booted. Of course, once the war started, things started to change. But that's another tale.

I actually wasn't referring to Ixion & Athana.. though Athana, while she's great OOCly.. ICly, she was the Heir of Glinshari who defected to Mag.. so yeah. I was more referring to Bau, who left, and when she did so, tuned a totem against Serenwilde which ended up catching novices and such, so she was perma-enemied. And all that went out the window. At least Ixion is a powerhouse and Athana is his wife

As for Munsia, yeah, she was finally kicked out.. but i'm guessing you weren't around when she was kicked out the first time and then let back in. She was given about 15 chances. She got to stick around because of Narsrim.

Oh, as for the Democracy at work comment.. its a well known fact that Democracy can't work because people are stupid. Which is why we don't have one in the US.

Darn right we don't !

And when I said democracy worked, I meant in that situation, certainly not overall.

And no, I wasn't around when Munsia was kicked out and let back in again. Didn't know that, and I sure hope they don't try that again...

Munsia will not return to the Seren so long as I have the power to ostracise. I gave her a second chance (one of them) and it was stupid to do even that much.

Ostracise Bau, please?

I don't know enough of the Bau thing to care.

Pfft. Noob.