Not really. If your angel is set for mana draining afflictions, you're not draining mana any slower than a wiccan.
WHAT mana draining afflictions? Powersink? Paralysis?
Wiccans are much better at draining mana; between pooka, pixie, banshee, overpowered succumb, and the fact that I think lash is a better drain than amissio, it's much easier for them to get a toadcurse than for us to get an absolve.
Shiri2006-08-09 12:43:14
Pixie you can avoid by eating merbloom. And your paralysis hits ONE AND A HALF TIMES AS FAST as our banshee and a random but usually significant amount of time faster than our pooka.
I don't know if succumb got fixed recently, but last time lash was doing 50 mana drain more than amissio.
Xavius2006-08-09 12:43:37
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 9 2006, 07:39 AM) 317068
WHAT mana draining afflictions? Powersink? Paralysis?
Wiccans are much better at draining mana; between pooka, pixie, banshee, overpowered succumb, and the fact that I think lash is a better drain than amissio, it's much easier for them to get a toadcurse than for us to get an absolve.
Lash is not better than amissio. It ties amissio for the strongest mana draining move.
Succumb isn't that bad, really (although it is scarier than amissio if your curing is bad.)
Paralysis, yes. Focus body takes more mana than insomnia while simultaneously providing hindrance. The banshee nicely makes up for the difference.
Pooka...well, the mana draining skills of pooka are relatively limited. I do suppose that might nudge them over, though.
Shamarah2006-08-09 12:58:42
QUOTE(Xavius @ Aug 9 2006, 08:43 AM) 317070
Lash is not better than amissio. It ties amissio for the strongest mana draining move.
Succumb isn't that bad, really (although it is scarier than amissio if your curing is bad.)
Paralysis, yes. Focus body takes more mana than insomnia while simultaneously providing hindrance. The banshee nicely makes up for the difference.
Pooka...well, the mana draining skills of pooka are relatively limited. I do suppose that might nudge them over, though.
300ish mana drain from banshee + 250 from pooka focus body + 100 from insomnia for pixie = passive 650 mana drain.
Shiri2006-08-09 13:08:14
550, merbloom.
And that's every 12 seconds for some of that, and sometimes LONGER for other parts of it. Yours is every -8- seconds.
Unknown2006-08-09 13:10:59
So it's totally impossible to do the same with toadcurse then, since it has the same restrictions to it, right?
Shamarah2006-08-09 13:14:10
QUOTE(Shiri @ Aug 9 2006, 09:08 AM) 317072
550, merbloom.
Yeah, because everyone totally uses merbloom.
Anyway, having your angel on paralysis is really a waste of an angel.
Shiri2006-08-09 14:01:01
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 9 2006, 02:14 PM) 317074
Yeah, because everyone totally uses merbloom.
...ok, and?
Torak2006-08-09 16:48:04
Paralysis is a waste, no one should ever invest it unless against someone with low discipline. Far as draining goes no hallf decent fighter should get wracked or absolved without a quicken. Simple as that. Wicca are a plenty fine class with easy ways to afflict the hell out of someone and keep them down. If you are having problems with this you just need to be more creative. Aeon whore till pixie hits, soon as they cure aeon pooka to relax metawake then double whammy with sleep. That is assuming they have on metawake, which anyone who has experience against a wicca will,so factor that into your passive mana drain.
Sylphas2006-08-09 19:47:47
If you're trying to kill with absolve, how the hell is paralysis wasting your angel?
Torak2006-08-09 20:48:19
Because you could stick in better afflictions like anorexia, vapours, anything to prevent aeon curing. There is a better option then the tiny paralysis drain ever 8 seconds. You can't just say well damn I'll up and absolve you with no hindering or afflicting, it takes them being A) aeoned/afflicted good and B ) hindered otherwise they will shield once during the quicken or amissio draining and you wasted your time.
Unknown2006-08-09 23:50:31
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 9 2006, 02:39 AM) 317068
WHAT mana draining afflictions? Powersink? Paralysis?
Wiccans are much better at draining mana; between pooka, pixie, banshee, overpowered succumb, and the fact that I think lash is a better drain than amissio, it's much easier for them to get a toadcurse than for us to get an absolve.
I'm pretty sure Amissio is a much larger percentage than Lash. Only Shadowdancers have succumb and the drain can be avoided by curing.
Athana2006-08-09 23:54:59
/hijack
Torak come back.
Unknown2006-08-10 00:00:20
The fact of the matter is, Wiccans only have ONE method to kill. Toadcurse. Damage is not a viable kill option.
Celestines have 3. Soulless, Absolve, and Judgement. There's Inquisition as well, that Daevos insists counts because it's an "end-move", which I get his point, it might as well be an instant kill.
Nihilists have 4. Soulless, Wrack, Sacrifice. Damage is also a viable kill method for them since they have Omen and passive sensitivity, the ability to choose between two damage types to maximize their damage, and also Torture (while people say it's sucks, it's still something, and it does a ton of damage with Omen and Sensitivity up, and if they are aeoned, they won't cure the bleeding which will be easily another 1000 damage if they never clot).
However, the Celestine kill methods, while less than the Nihilists, are far superior and easier.
Shamarah2006-08-10 00:02:55
Inquisition doesn't really count because you usually have to use it in conjunction with soulless (you COULD theoretically damage-kill someone under inquisition, but considering how much cosmicfire sucks it's rather unlikely).
Unknown2006-08-10 02:20:15
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Aug 9 2006, 02:02 PM) 317332
Inquisition doesn't really count because you usually have to use it in conjunction with soulless (you COULD theoretically damage-kill someone under inquisition, but considering how much cosmicfire sucks it's rather unlikely).
That's why I didn't count it as four, only as three, duh, but added a separate memo because Daevos counts it as four.
It makes a damage kill easy for Paladins if they pull it off though.
Geb2006-08-10 02:33:52
QUOTE(Anonymous @ Aug 10 2006, 03:20 AM) 317424
That's why I didn't count it as four, only as three, duh, but added a separate memo because Daevos counts it as four.
It makes a damage kill easy for Paladins if they pull it off though.
Not really, since the paladin will be out of power. Considering the fact that he will have to use normal swings until he pulls off inquisition, most of the time the paladin has not acquired any good wound afflictions or damage on a proficient healer in the process. So after inquisition is accomplished, he will then end up using normal swings that can still be parried, dodged, or he can outright miss. I know this from personal experience, because I have survived inquisition from paladins plenty of times as a mage outside of his demesne. The only reason I feared it in their hands was because of the stripping of my defenses, not the potential for them to kill me with damage.
Acrune2006-08-10 02:37:36
Yeah, I've survived it from paladins too (even a few Celestines) back in my Aqua days.
Vix2006-08-10 05:19:06
I'm not sure how to analyze this, but I thought it would be good information. I only included the bits where we used damage attacks since that seemed relevant. I'm curious about how much health he has and if he was surged.
QUOTE
A banshee stares at Nico, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at him, causing the colour to drain from his face.
A banshee stares at Nico, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at him, causing the colour to drain from his face.
You thrust your palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it burning into Nico, who cries out in pain. Nico wakes up with a gasp of pain.
You thrust your palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it burning into Nico, who cries out in pain. Nico wakes up with a gasp of pain.
You thrust your palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it burning into Nico, who cries out in pain.
Sarrasri thrusts her palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it and burns into Nico, who cries out in pain. Nico wakes up with a gasp of pain.
Nico takes a drink from a moonstone vial.
You thrust your palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it burning into Nico, who cries out in pain. Nico swoons for a moment then rises again, flushed but strong.
Nico eats a sparkleberry.
Nejii takes a drink from a moonstone vial.
A banshee stares at Nico, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at him, causing the colour to drain from his face.
A banshee stares at Nico, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at him, causing the colour to drain from his face.
Nejii thrusts her palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it and burns into Nico, who cries out in pain.
A banshee stares at Nico, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech at him, causing the colour to drain from his face.
You thrust your palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it burning into Nico, who cries out in pain.
Nejii thrusts her palm towards Nico and a burst of silver light shoots out from it and burns into Nico, who cries out in pain. A frown on Nico's face suddenly changes to horror as his skin begins to glow with an inner silver light. Moonlight erupts from the pores of his skin as he tries to scream but is instead consumed by the power of the moon. Nico has been slain by Nejii. Nico drops a bog myrtle leaf. A ghostly form rises from Nico's body followed by a bright flash. A new breathing body appears around the form, restoring him from certain death.
Unknown2006-08-10 05:26:01
It's better to put a full log with balance/equilibrium recovering and prompts fully visible, and how oftened he sipped (I'm assuming once because he was asleep and probably aeoned, etc), then with a count at the end. How many times did he sip vials?
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