So we're both pissed that the other side has it better? Good, we're balanced then. STFU.

Sure, lets do that, they sound pretty good too. Let's not stop there though! Why not prefix 'Cosmic' with 'Ethereal-' and suffix 'Ethereal' with '-Cosmic'. And we can add two more avatars to each commune, and the Moon Ladies can have wings and sing holy choirs.



See, fairness is fun!

Oh, don't forget to put Cosmic adjacent to Prime, for tesseracting out. Planar donut!

Ah, that reminds me of the time...

yeah, shouldn't post things about previous raids here, but ethereal being adjacent to prime was important.

wow this thread is hot. I vote no. Same as Shorlen's concern

Angels/Demons are aggressive against enemies.

In fact there are just as many beings on Celestia as there are Ladies/Daughters. Most of them falling in the same strength range as the ladies/daughters with the exception of a few hours a day that they are higher.

The difference here is, Serenwilde and Glomdoring have to -work- to get their Ethereal beings.

Well perhaps when ethereal actually becomes hard to get to and when druid demesnes are at a point where they aren't considered to be the worst?

Druid demesnes are considered to be the worst? Worst in what, pray tell?

Anyhow, I don't see a problem with mages/druids having the ability to remove the meld of a person on the ethereal or elemental planes. I do suggest that the work should be somewhat tedious though, and hence perhaps take more time and a bit more power than what the removal would cost on any other plane. Think of it along the lines that you are attacking a meld in a place where it feasibly should have the most hold, the plane of its origin. For balance sake it should be possible to remove it, but from a role-play stand point it should not be an easy task.

Honestly, while I'm glad that certain changes were made to ethereal to allow more feasible raiding, I'm disappointed, although mostly by what I read here on the forums. Group combat in Lusternia absolutely depends on demenses, and because of that, any inability of one side to remove the demense of another is quite simply imbalanced. I'm not saying let us meld ethereal, just let us somehow break the demense otherwise. like Forren is suggesting, I think. But, that aside...

Liveforest. For once, you proponents of Ethereal's defenses try to set yourself in another's position and imagine leading a group in a raid with passive area wide hindering like that. Cohesive movement becomes an impossibility, whereas defenders can flow to their heart's content.

I hear all this talk about being 'fair' in combat from individuals who I rarely see involved in said combat. I realize that both Cosmic and Ethereal have their strengths and weaknesses, however one cannot simply list them and say "See? You can do this while we can't! Thus it's fair that we can do this and you can't!" You guys don't seem to be attaching appropriate weighting to your judgements of fairness. Want fair? Make Celestia too pure to be affected by foreign attempts to demense, and Nil too corroded. Then make the holy light of the plane afflict half your group randomly with paralysis for the length of your stay. Enjoy. Oh, but then that'd invariably stifle almost all of our already limited combat and conflict opportunities, and who wants that? Apparently, a lot of people.

I don't know, I just find it frustrating to play a game that revolves around combat when actual conflict areas are so well defended that it halts any possible combat before it even starts. Meh, I didn't want to make such a long post, even used just the 'fast reply' option! But I got started, and...yeah.

I don't care how easy it is to raid really. I'm just getting pissed that Ethereal is becoming more and more exactly like Cosmic, disregarding how different they are and should remain.

One hardly raidable for extended periods, the other well known for hour-long raids in melds.

I voted for YES.

And Forren i like your sig.

I really should dig up where i had last swing on Luciphage.

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No they aren't.

And ladies are far stronger than angels/demons at all the times I've seen them (maybe I just went at unlucky times). They also do afflictions (break legs, shivering, etc).

I'd rather return to that, 1 hour of fighting toe-to-toe as the avatar/supernals life slowly goes down, rather then oops, I blinked and we lost one.

My first suggestion to that effect would to massively buff their life and decrease their insta-killing attacks slightly, so it's more important that people respond then getting up a dozen people of decent level and taking 30 seconds. Problem with that being that you could conceivabally have a small group picking them all off when there is just no one around to defend. (which happens to all orgs at one time or another in the day/week) I guess when it comes down to it what we have already got is the best and most interesting of the presented options.

Pretty sure they aren't. From playing on the test server, I know the Supernals beat the crap out of you if you emote something with them if you're enemied, not sure about the angels. Don't recall ever being attacked by demons when playing on Nil, unless I started it.

According to some of the Magnagorans/Serens who were there, it took roughly 10-15 seconds to kill Raziela.

And most of the fighting doesn't center around Supernals - it's just pointless raiding.

There were a freaking ton of us there though. QL was so spammy.

Ok, just looked. You're right they don't automatically attack enemies. They are however in the same strength range as the Ladies/Daughters as I said.

Maybe in the same range as the Ladies/Daughters at new moon, however at all other times I've encountered the Ladies/Daughters they always seemed a lot stronger than angels/demons.

Or I guess I could be remembering it wrong, maybe I ought to test.

Youve had to deal with the surged and near Full..thats not a good comparison.