I was originally going to try this in idiots, but I figured I'd try something constructive rather than ranting, now my mood's slightly better.

At the moment, high level bashing on prime is rather unfeasible - there are essentially gorgogs, hammerheads, presidio, and shallach that are worth hunting in.

Both the Presidio and Shallach enemy people who hunt there, and both have reasons for Magnagora to protect them, which they do. As such, anyone who hunts in either of them is likely to get attacked.

The hammerhead sharks are good, but can't be reached except by people with the DIVE ability, which is a racial ability for some, but other than that, very high in environment.

Because of this, the gorgogs, which the only really decent bashing above the krokani, are constantly bashed out. noone wants to or is able to hunt the other three on prime.

As GA, I want to stay away from aetherbubbles so I can keep an eye on my guild. As an enemy of both cities, I can't get to astral, and even the elemental planes are dangerous for me. These mean that I'm pretty much limited to hunting on prime.

I'm not going to ask for more bashing areas on prime, and this thread is -not- to ask for more bashing areas on prime, because I understand that the staff are already hard pressed.

Instead, I had two suggestions for now:
1) lower dive in environment, to after either fluidswim or tumbling - this would also kinda make sense considering the furrikin essentially get tumble as a racial ability.
2) change avenger protection in enemy territory so you can only kill enemies there without repercussions if you're affiliated with those territories (i.e, your city/commune and loyal villages) - this wouldn't stop people protecting such places, but it would mean that bashing on prime wouldn't link in a forfeit of avenger protection like it does now.

Anyway, discuss

I certainly agree with your first suggestion.

Your second on the other hand would potentially mean there is no purpose to enemy status in neutral areas except for the increased experience loss on death. It will mean that loyals cannot be defended, such as those in Shallach and I presume the Presidio.

What if you had to seduce a denizen to gain auto-defend status if they are attacked? That would prevent wholesale slaughter of anyone bashing in neutral enemy territory, but still allow protection of important denizens, without the loophole of stepping outside the area boundary that we have now.

I like that idea, but it would mean only one person would be able to get that auto-defending.

Not if it just counted anyone who had seduced that mobile in the past X amount of time (with death clearing the list). That could be expensive though.

And it probably wouldn't solve the problem anyway - you'd still be vulnerable hunting loyal denizens.

Sure. I always have the time to influence while someone KILLS denizens directly affiliated to the city/guild right next to me.
The system is good as it is, I don't need more things limitting our ability to follow our RP.

Personally I hunt everything aside from Shallach, and the nobles in the presidio. Remember, the aberrants and brains in the caves are not loyal, and -anyone- is allowed to hunt them (unless you are known to have attacked the nobles in the past, in which case you're not "allowed" in the Presidio.) I'm willing to accept that the merians are guarded, as well as the aslaran to some extent, but I hunt them anyways. I think your first suggestion is fine and fair (though personally I don't even hunt those sharks). I think it's unfortunate for the people who really have a hard time because they aren't allowed to hunt certain groups, but I know that I bashed 50% of level 79 to get 80 in a day, and made about 90K, all of that done on prime.

Merian and aslaran and krokani can't be guarded. I bet there would be a LOT of complaints if Celest could gank people who were doing that. Magnagora gets the option to.

So it could be either new high-level bashing areas other people can access, or a change in the enemying system for those places, or whatever, but yeah.

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ALL on prime.

I don't think that the avenger system should be changed, because the Presidio IS linked to Magnagora, even if it's not a "village". Our city's ancestors and nobles live there, so it is directly connected to us. It's not like it's just an area with some random viscanti. I don't think that the avenger should be changed, because we have an obligation to protect them.

I don't think anyone in Magnagora is against anyone else getting similar areas, either.

The Cathedral is actually the best prime hunting now, though I think your suggestions are kind of bad.

Not all. He's taken to offering linked astral critters. I think he's the only masochist out there that enjoys urns.

Ah, he said a few days ago he only bashes prime. And urns aren't that bad, actually. But I'll always take the mitrans if I have the choice between them and urns.

I kind of find it annoying that Magnagora gets plenty of good bashing spots as protectorates like that (Catacombs, Shallach, Presidio, Spectre Isle), whereas Serenwilde and Glomdoring don't (unless you count Glomdoring itself). Celest is kind of in the same situation, except they do try to protect aslaran for some reason, I hear, and they can make an argument for the Merian. Why is that so many areas are linked to Magnagora? Why not open a small forest area in the mountains somewhere where some Seren refugees fled to or something?

I really don't care all that much, I'm just curious.

We can't bash them ourselves. -.-
The only exception are the catacombs.

You can do Spectres if you either hand the corpses to us or do the quest. You can bash the Cathedral, you can bash the brains and aberrants in presidio. You can bash orcs.

The only bashingground we have more than you are catacombs.

In practice, that means that if you don't bash them, very few others do, so you're just taking that bashing ground out of the running for feasible hunting for most people.

I've always felt there was some intent to making bashing "dangerous" on Prime (as well as Off-Prime).

I also dislike the second suggestion simply because it doesn't fit except for a few areas. No organization is affliated with the Dracnari, Mesa, Tosha, Taurians, Spirit Wolves, etc. etc. etc.

If I'm jumped and killed when I try to bash somewhere, I won't bash there, because I'm bashing to get experience, not to lose it (even if it is small). So it's not dangerous, it's just limiting.

Laysus dies like 2 times out of 6 or so, so on average he gets away two times and killed the third. You can basically bash without sorrows if you have a gem.

O_o organizations -are- affiliated with the Dracnari and the Mesa, I've had to spore away from there in the past because someone in one of those pro-city clans just -thought- I had killed their beloved racial brothers/sisters. As for Tosha I remember plenty of people fighting over that as well.

The solution for you Laysus? Influence! Influence fae in faethorn, I've actually noticed a small xp boost from doing them just -so often- sure it's not good xp but it benefits the communes in a few ways (even with the main faethorn quest disabled) I'd say to influence guards in the wilde, but generally national guards are hunted out worse then gorgogs. there's always pixies, as sad as that sounds for a lvl 80+ I know quite a lot of high lvl seren's who still do the pixie quest because there is just nothing else to do at the time.

Influencing at level 82 is too slow, other than guards and perhaps begging in Tosha. And too boring.