Um, what? It's only half a bashing ground if you can't pick up the corpses, at least if you're in an order. I'll bash it anyway and ignore the law and spore out if I get jumped, but you can't say it's entirely open if hunting there is conditional on something like giving up corpses.

You don't have to give up the corpses, you can do the quest as well. Otherwise it'd be like running around Seren, gathering pixies and then leading them to Mag and killing them. (Well, sabotaged powerquest)

I'd concede that point if pixies lived in Verasavir valley and gave half decent experience.

It's our equivalent of pixies. *shrug*

IF we have sewers, why can't Seren/Glom have underground caves that acts like that?

Wrong. There are a few people who kick you off just for being on the isle, even if you aren't bashing anything.

They kick off Celestians... what a surprise... they don't want the city they are most opposed to anywhere near their powerquest...

Seren's do the same things to Gloomies... hell I obviously follow Gloomies around in Feathorn until they get annoyed and leave, or until they get stupid and influence a moon fae... then I beat 'em down...

Right. Serens are allowed to do it without troubles. Celestians might pose a problem. Gloms aren't allowed because of them pissing off Mag and getting prohibited from our territories.

I think one of the mentioned problems was wanting the corpses to offer to said persons God. If corpses are asked for, they cant do so and then theres almost no point for them to go there.

BUt yes, about Spectre people have been kicked off for even being near there. I only remember it before I made Dylara so cant really say anything for current circumstance. According to Ash, theyre open.

Be neat if Seren and Glom got an equilivant to Sewers, the ethereal reflections tend to count as a sewer with weevils but they never had creatures on par with whatever is in the Sewers. Id be even more in favour if Sewers was brought down lower..but I think Im just being hopeful.

The only thing I want is that the Sewers skill be lowered down. Expert is just crazy. Put it on Master if you care so much for it, but Expert?! Sheesh... That's, like, 425 lessons. Which is around 70 credits, if you don't have the bonus lessons. And if you do, it's still 50...

I think the bolded part means you just admitted that Magnagora in fact DOES claim Spectre Island as its own territory.

I think sewers should be lowered to Adept or so. Maybe even less.

Erm, yes? Presidio, Shallach, Spectres.

Here's how the posts went:

Guido:
Blah blah, Magnagora ownz A, B, C (list, Spectre Island NOT included)

Elryn:
Spectre isle, Sewers.

You:
*starts a rant on spectre island, arguing with Sylphas and Elryn*


From that, it was logical to deduce that your point was to prove Spectre Island is not owned by Magnagora.

It was a point of BASHING there. Which I say, they can bash there, as long as they are unenemied and not from Celest or Glom.

I was kicked off of Spectre Isle as a Seren. Before the recent war with Celest, but at a time when Seren and Mag weren't heavily at odds.

Hes saying were allowed on it now. Along with Shallach and Presidio (sp) as long as we dont attack the Ur'dead or Priestesses and arent enemied to Magnagora.

Basically. Ask Laysus. He isn't even really unenemied, but he's still allowed to bash there if he doesn't touch the nobles again.

You said enemied before so pft.

Why offer? Unless you're looking to get a specific thing (order item, rank, ect.) then offering is pointless, there's no reward but some pitiful karma. Let the rest of your order offer, it will be plenty, and keep your corpses for yourself, unless they have no other use.

That's my philosophy.

"BUT GUIDO, I WANT 2 BE A GUD FOLLOWER AND HELP MI DIVINE BECUZ I BELIEVE IN HIM/HER!"

Yeah, that's really sweet.

And if the rest of the Order felt like that, all the Gods would pretty much be essenceless.

Fortunately, a lot of characters have a RP attachment to their god and offer pretty much everything they collect.