Sylphas2006-08-27 14:20:40
You'd have prefered they all become worthless?
Unknown2006-08-27 20:28:17
QUOTE(Forren @ Aug 27 2006, 01:17 AM) 324743
Now do you understand why we wanted liveforest changed?
Instead.. they just raised the other powers to the same annoying level.
Except stun is worse, therefore it is above Liveforest's level.
Forren2006-08-27 20:56:57
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Aug 27 2006, 02:20 PM) 324746
You'd have prefered they all become worthless?
Not worthless. We suggested that liveforest be changed to hit all at once instead of randomly for each person, along with ripple and flux getting a damage boost and slight power reduction.
Unknown2006-08-27 22:00:31
I guess they didn't want (flux/ripple)+wrath to turn into the new worldburn; which they shouldn't, powers should encourage defenders to go toe to toe with a bigger attacking group, not kill the group for them.
Rauros2006-08-28 03:10:37
QUOTE(Fallen @ Aug 26 2006, 04:46 PM) 324482
Er. You offer lots of essence to a God, you're probably going to get a favor. Just the way it works.
I've offered about...300k to Terentia... never got favored for it. How much do I need before I get one?
Unknown2006-08-28 03:16:01
QUOTE(Rauros @ Aug 27 2006, 08:10 PM) 324963
I've offered about...300k to Terentia... never got favored for it. How much do I need before I get one?
Huh. I've gotten favors from every God(dess) i've ever offered to. Guess I just know how to pick em
Diamondais2006-08-28 03:18:15
When theyre newly arrived it seems more likely, though occasionally they do. Depends on their mood and their roleplay I guess. Not all do it, not all avoid it.
Terenas2006-08-28 03:54:24
I know the bleeding on Thornlash was reduced but honestly, is it enough?
2933h, 1123m, 4084e, 9p, 20437en, 14394w elrxk-
You are:
afflicted with the darkseed inplanted beneath the skin.
under the influence of a love potion.
an insomniac.
2933h, 1123m, 4084e, 9p, 20437en, 14394w lrxk-
2933h, 1003m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14382w lrxk-
2933h, 763m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14334w lrxk-
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w lrxk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your right leg.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You struggle to free your limbs from the thorny vines.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrk-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3367h, 1256m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
Your right leg is sliced to shreds as the thorny vines are ripped away.
You have writhed free of your thorny vines.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your left arm.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
You struggle to free your limbs from the thorny vines.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14334w ek-
You bleed 215 health.
3152h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14334w ek-
You scream in agony as thorny vines suddenly sprout out of your skin and wrap you in a bloody
embrace.
2559h, 1854m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14310w ekp-
2559h, 1794m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14298w ekp-
2559h, 1314m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w exkp-
2559h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w erxkp-
2776h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
2776h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Your left arm is sliced to shreds as the thorny vines are ripped away.
You have writhed free of your thorny vines.
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3210h, 1850m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Chrylen, the majestic chimera wounds you with a glancing cut.
3175h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3175h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. You are pelted by acorns that leave welts
and bruises.
2419h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14214w elrxkp-Invoke: SUMMER
You begin focusing your mind on your motor skills.
2419h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-
You take a drink from a coral vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3156h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-
Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
UNPARALYZED!!!
3156h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-Invoke: SUMMER
Turning your head to the south, you beseech the Spirits of Summer to set you free. A sparkling wind
comes forth from the south and burns away the ties that bind you.
3156h, 1550m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14124w lrxk-
You bleed 390 health.
2766h, 1550m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14124w lrxk-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
2766h, 1490m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14112w lrxk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your right leg.
2766h, 950m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14004w lrxk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2766h, 530m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 13920w elrxk-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
I bled for 390 health when I had one limb lashed and Darkseed. Also note I have a max of 22k WP. Within a few minutes into the fight I was down to 14k wp. Honestly, how are we supposed to fight against something like this?
QUOTE
2933h, 1123m, 4084e, 9p, 20437en, 14394w elrxk-
You are:
afflicted with the darkseed inplanted beneath the skin.
under the influence of a love potion.
an insomniac.
2933h, 1123m, 4084e, 9p, 20437en, 14394w lrxk-
2933h, 1003m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14382w lrxk-
2933h, 763m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14334w lrxk-
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w lrxk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your right leg.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You struggle to free your limbs from the thorny vines.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrk-
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
3367h, 1164m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3367h, 1256m, 4084e, 9p, 20457en, 14322w elrxk-
You take a drink from a ruby vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
Your right leg is sliced to shreds as the thorny vines are ripped away.
You have writhed free of your thorny vines.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your left arm.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20425en, 14322w exk-
You struggle to free your limbs from the thorny vines.
3367h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14334w ek-
You bleed 215 health.
3152h, 1974m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14334w ek-
You scream in agony as thorny vines suddenly sprout out of your skin and wrap you in a bloody
embrace.
2559h, 1854m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14310w ekp-
2559h, 1794m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14298w ekp-
2559h, 1314m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w exkp-
2559h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w erxkp-
2776h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
You twist and turn as you attempt to escape from your entanglement.
2776h, 1389m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Your left arm is sliced to shreds as the thorny vines are ripped away.
You have writhed free of your thorny vines.
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
3210h, 1850m, 4084e, 9p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Chrylen, the majestic chimera wounds you with a glancing cut.
3175h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
3175h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20445en, 14202w elrxkp-
Squirrels chitter madly but remain unseen in the trees. You are pelted by acorns that leave welts
and bruises.
2419h, 1850m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14214w elrxkp-Invoke: SUMMER
You begin focusing your mind on your motor skills.
2419h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-
You take a drink from a coral vial.
The potion heals and soothes you.
3156h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-
Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
UNPARALYZED!!!
3156h, 1600m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14139w elrxkp-Invoke: SUMMER
Turning your head to the south, you beseech the Spirits of Summer to set you free. A sparkling wind
comes forth from the south and burns away the ties that bind you.
3156h, 1550m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14124w lrxk-
You bleed 390 health.
2766h, 1550m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14124w lrxk-
You may eat or smoke another herb.
2766h, 1490m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14112w lrxk-
Athana whispers a string of sibilant syllables, and leaves rustle in answer nearby. She gestures
violently at you.
A viciously thorned vine spears out from a nearby branch and lashes tightly around your right leg.
2766h, 950m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 14004w lrxk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
2766h, 530m, 4084e, 10p, 20465en, 13920w elrxk-
You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
I bled for 390 health when I had one limb lashed and Darkseed. Also note I have a max of 22k WP. Within a few minutes into the fight I was down to 14k wp. Honestly, how are we supposed to fight against something like this?
Diamondais2006-08-28 03:58:43
That isnt much..
Unknown2006-08-28 04:25:10
QUOTE(terenas @ Aug 28 2006, 03:54 AM) 324975
I know the bleeding on Thornlash was reduced but honestly, is it enough?
I bled for 390 health when I had one limb lashed and Darkseed. Also note I have a max of 22k WP. Within a few minutes into the fight I was down to 14k wp. Honestly, how are we supposed to fight against something like this?
Every writhe off thorns you choose to do is around 200 bleeding. It isn't that much. Use an ignite enchantment and you won't bleed at all.
Edit: Also, it takes about 120 willpower to completely clot (no chervil) one writhing off thorns. It takes 75 willpower to focus mind/body/spirit. You would run out of willpower as quickly if someone was able to deliver paralysis every 5 seconds or so.
Terenas2006-08-28 04:54:40
Wait, 200 bleeding isn't that much? I either have to choose to writhe everytime or get instantly killed or use an ignite enchantment everytime to avoid bleeding? And I'd prefer if someone was delivering paralysis every 5 seconds because that isn't leading up to an instantkill. With how ridiculous it is trying to fight a Druid in his demesne at the moment, this makes it even harder to stay alive, let alone even launch an offense.
Unknown2006-08-28 04:57:22
QUOTE(terenas @ Aug 27 2006, 06:54 PM) 324986
Wait, 200 bleeding isn't that much? I either have to choose to writhe everytime or get instantly killed or use an ignite enchantment everytime to avoid bleeding? And I'd prefer if someone was delivering paralysis every 5 seconds because that isn't leading up to an instantkill. With how ridiculous it is trying to fight a Druid in his demesne at the moment, this makes it even harder to stay alive, let alone even launch an offense.
Let's just say, BT's are worse.
Unknown2006-08-28 04:57:54
QUOTE(terenas @ Aug 28 2006, 04:54 AM) 324986
Wait, 200 bleeding isn't that much? I either have to choose to writhe everytime or get instantly killed or use an ignite enchantment everytime to avoid bleeding? And I'd prefer if someone was delivering paralysis every 5 seconds because that isn't leading up to an instantkill. With how ridiculous it is trying to fight a Druid in his demesne at the moment, this makes it even harder to stay alive, let alone even launch an offense.
Hmm, conduct a test with access to ignite enchantments? I'd be surprised if it was completely uncounterable.
Athana2006-08-28 04:59:21
You can't talk about willpower drain with skills like psychicvamp 
Sylphas2006-08-28 05:03:45
If you have an ignite enchant, you should never be killed by thornrend. You could let two stack, writhe vines if need be, ignite. There's no reason you have to writhe thorns, unless your arm balance really is terribly slowed.
Shorlen2006-08-28 05:52:20
Point cudgel does more bleeding over time than constant writhing from thornlash, and it does damage as well. I don't get the complaint.
EDIT: Also, an ignite enchant COMPLETELY removes the bleeding, from what I understand. Wait until three limbs are lashed, then rub it, and it does NOTHING to you. Don't say it's unfair that you need an enchantment to fight a druid, since, ya know, cleanse is the only way to cure sap
EDIT: Also, an ignite enchant COMPLETELY removes the bleeding, from what I understand. Wait until three limbs are lashed, then rub it, and it does NOTHING to you. Don't say it's unfair that you need an enchantment to fight a druid, since, ya know, cleanse is the only way to cure sap
Diamondais2006-08-28 05:53:28
Those sabretooths give like 160 bleeding per. Theres no complaints needed. Go try and nerf someone else.
Narsrim2006-08-28 09:13:07
I find is amusing that all the druids crying use ignite are not mentioning how long it takes: It has a 4.0 second base equilibrium time.
You shouldn't ever die to thornrend using ignite, yes... but good luck being able to DO ANYTHING when you have to be knocked off equilibrium every 6.0-12.0 seconds for 4.0 seconds.
You shouldn't ever die to thornrend using ignite, yes... but good luck being able to DO ANYTHING when you have to be knocked off equilibrium every 6.0-12.0 seconds for 4.0 seconds.
Shorlen2006-08-28 09:17:28
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Aug 28 2006, 05:13 AM) 325047
I find is amusing that all the druids crying use ignite are not mentioning how long it takes: It has a 4.0 second base equilibrium time.
You shouldn't ever die to thornrend using ignite, yes... but good luck being able to DO ANYTHING when you have to be knocked off equilibrium every 6.0-12.0 seconds for 4.0 seconds.
You shouldn't ever die to thornrend using ignite, yes... but good luck being able to DO ANYTHING when you have to be knocked off equilibrium every 6.0-12.0 seconds for 4.0 seconds.
So, we lash three times, you ignite. That's 12 seconds in which we're doing nothing else, and 4 seconds in which you're doing nothing else. And you take no damage from it if that's all we're doing. So... I don't get it. Why is this overpowered?
Narsrim2006-08-28 09:39:37
QUOTE(Shorlen @ Aug 28 2006, 05:17 AM) 325049
So, we lash three times, you ignite. That's 12 seconds in which we're doing nothing else, and 4 seconds in which you're doing nothing else. And you take no damage from it if that's all we're doing. So... I don't get it. Why is this overpowered?
Your question is silly to say the least. First, I sincerely doubt anyone is going to let thornlashes stack up and then ignite to cure it. The method isn't very feasible as a minor error from that point could potentially lead to death. Most people, I imagine, are going to actively be writhing thorns and then use ignite on an absolutely-must-use basis as it requires a full halt in any offense to do.
This also doesn't take into consideration you have a demesne (or in the case of hartstone: demesne + ancestral curse) hitting you. With effective spacing of effects and timing, I would think if you can count on a target always using ignite under a given circumstance, which steals 4.0 seconds of equilibrium, sapping would be far easier.
I don't find the ability overpowered per se. However, it is a long shot from useless as many people like to claim.
