That is true, but every side can do that

They aren't? I thought they were already flagged as such.

Avatars, imho, are much harder than Supernals/Demon Lords. For one, liveforest, the discretionary druid power that -passively webs-. Ripple is a joke. You also have a bunch of Ladies/Daughters who track and attack in large groups.

They are.

They are.

EDIT: ed.

Yeah, they most definitely are immune to critical hits.

Considering we had a few demigods and a Titan or two involved in killing the Demon Lords and Avatar, they would have gone down a -lot- sooner.

We did, but there weren't enough Angels. They're only good for 20 or so essence every while, and require access to a cubix to get to.

Really? Same health too? Might have been a really lucky critical then :confused: I'd ask Narsrim about it, but I doubt he'd say how the group of 4-5 killed an Avatar in under 30 seconds. It might have been a few world-shattering criticals or something - Avatars and Supernals/Demonlords really should be immune to crits

EDIT: Oh.

Shorlen, when did a group of 4-5 kill one? We tried with ten once and got royally owned by the Ladies.

Am I listening to rumors again?

Probably.

Why didn't someone mention that earlier? This whole time, I thought the first Luna raid was five people from what was said to me about it (I wasn't there).

More than five people died to the Fury alone, not to mention the ladies after Luna was already dead...

It was around thirteen people. A lot of us died because of those damn Ladies of Silver Light!

Raids on Demon Lords are much much much easier.

1. BREAKABLE melds. (Yes, I've envoyed now for melds on ethereal to be breakable.)
2. No passive webbing (liveforest).
3. We can walk there, technically, without getting owned by guards.
4. Demons don't act like guards.

EDIT: 5. Shrine powers. You can use them, we can't.

I'm lagging like hell so I can't be bothered to go check the last page, but I am almost certain that in one point in time not THAT many months ago Avatars and Supernals were vastly different in strength.

It took about 5 of us to OWN all three Night avatars consecutively (yes, with helpers, although two of us had to run from Lhiannan or whatever her name is). It takes a lot more than that to take down a Supernal. Now maybe some changes went on and Avatars are now the same strength as Supernals but there is definitely precedent for believing otherwise.

EDIT: Also no I'm not mistaken about that, because I was one of those people.

EDIT: Gah, meant to be asleep, almost 6PM again. I'll reply tomorrow.

Good - natural saplings should be defense enough.

Rather than losing liveforest, I'd love to see something similar though different for the cosmic planes. Maybe blindness on Celestia along with the damage from all the light, which would pretty much prevent sixthsense from being useful?

You can walk in with an aethership, which takes longer but is 1/10th the price of a cubix, and thus more readily available. It's also not very long if you start from the Faethorn dock using an algontherine whistle, which is also 1/10th the price of a cubix.

They should, IMO.


Before or after the major buffs?

Read the latest announce.

I'm going to lie down now and die of shame.

Which ones were too weak? Probably Raziela...

Thanks for that!

And the titles funny.

Japhiel had to be one of them - he died in one round before attacking the two times I was with the group that took him down.

Aye,

I was floating there dead, they took him out in one round. Really, really fast. Don't think anyone had to swing a third time. However, I did find Haiden embracing Japhiel and then getting attacked pretty funny. Though, they thought it was something else.

Embrace a Supernal while enemied, Japhiel gives you one minute before attacking.