Aaaaaannndd...it's cool-lookin.

Hmm, familiar looking Oroborus.

Would one of Morgfyre's avatars be Lucy Butler (aka "Legion")?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_%28TV_series%29

Ouroboros are supposed to be about eternal balance of extremes that do not colide, but rather work in harmony...

I don't see anything balanced in Morgfyre

It's like having Fain's symbol being the Ying-Yang

He is the balance of extremes. He is the balance between the Soulless and the Star Gods, which are the two extremes of the Lusternian Multiverse. And he is definitely a cross between the both of them.


Edit: And why are you trying to stick OOC meanings on the way a symbol is used ICly? The Pentagram is a real symbol, and Wicca is a real religion OOCly. Neither of them are used in perfect context ICly.

I would not called him balanced... more like a thing that was "good" and was pushed into the darkness... like a vampire

Actually, while the ouroboros has been used a symbol of balance and harmony, it's also used as a symbol of the opposite - a cycle of self-destruction and pointless consumption, which is much more fitting.

QFT.

A symbol can be interperated in many ways.

That's your interpretation. that doesn't make it reality.

Morgfyre is a being formed by many polar opposites. He has destroyed a portion of his soul, and is held together by opposing forces.

He has Soulless, Divine, and Half-formed as a part of what He is. How can you get any more balanced than that?

I've never heard of such thing

And if Morgfyre would be also a creator of life, than I would agree, but he's only out to eat everyone.

Again, it can mean different things. Show the same symbol to five entirely seperate cultures and you'll get five different reactions.

I find Hazar's explanation quite true to Morgfyre's nature.

Without destruction, there can be no creation. Dynara created, and Magnora destroyed. ICly it is known that Kethuru cannot be destroyed without unweaving reality completely.

So, if destruction must happen before creation, then who is to say he is not pro-creation?

Also, don't forget that he's all about cabals and cults and stuff... seems to me, if someone takes the time to foster groups, that he must have something akin to interest in life continuing.

He's more on the line that he consumed everything for it's own.. not much balance in him



This could be a good example of Morgfyre

I think you're wrong. I think he is the balance of the cycle of creation. Because note that he doesn't actually destroy what he consumes. The organisms he consumes become a part of him, they don't simply cease to exist. That, to me, is interesting. He is both life and death, beginning and end. He lets Soulless experience a Soul, Half-formed experience full-fledge divinity, and the Star Gods experience the primal lust of lacking even a piece of their Soul.

That is a balance.

Orti, we're saying that he doesn't stand for balance and serenity, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.

Also: The monster in that picture looks like Atma Weapon. Sweet!

EDIT: Well, I'm saying that, at least.

Actually, i'm saying that he does represent balance and harmony.

But balance and harmony doesn't have to look that way to those on the outside of it, because it is so different from what we are used to experiencing.

The Soulless are alien to understanding, so something that comprises them would be equally so.

For instance, if you take the Lusternia-Achaea link. Yudhe's Nameless son was essentially a perfect being in the Lusternian multiverse. When he travelled to the Achaean Multi-verse, he was the Unnamable Horror. Lusternia is the realm of Chaos as far as Achaea is concerned. Yet, for those inside said chaos, it is ordinary life, and Achaea would be the unimaginable Chaos.

Both are normal when viewed from within. So, the balance of Morgfyre seems like chaos when viewed by those who cannot fathom it.

Though Morgfyre may, on some level, be balanced, it is not a concept that he endorses, stands for, or in any way enjoys... at least, that's what I've gleaned from my limited dealings with Him. So, I doubt he'd take a symbol to represent balance, but rather one favouring disorder and/or destruction and consumption. Which the Ouroboros can be.

Well, my impressions were that, so far, every Mag god is a super version of a Demon Lord. Fain is Super-Luciphage. Raezon was Super-Baalphegar, and Morgfyre is Super-Gorgulu.

The case could certainly be made either way. It's a really neat argument, actually. It'd be cool to see some in-game arguments about it. Needless to say, there are reasons I picked the ouroboros other than it looking cool (which it does!).

This is really an irrelevant aside, but I think it's interesting that Corinthian posted a picture of one of the Homunculi from Full-metal Alchemist as a possible Morgfyre, since all the Homunculi are marked by a tattoo of the ouroboros (their only really distinguishing feature from normal humans).

Aside. I think it'd be interesting to have a hidden Morgfyre cult (or two) pop up in Glomdoring.

STFU I'm not Orti.. I'm Cori.. CO-RI...nthian

teh corzorz if you must...

And I have never seen the Ouroboros as a symbol of consumption... the close would be Jormungandr, the eternal seprent-dragon that was so large that he would go around the world and bite his own tail.. but that's not the ouroboros


The ouroboros in Alchemy is the symbol for the Philosopher's stone... the red dragon

I know my red magic well enough

And I also tought that there was the posibility that you based Morgfyre on Envy's true form because of the form(multiple faces, limbs and dragon looking, which is another word for snake looking) and the Ouroboros


Viravain's Super-Nifilhema sincce she's emo and cuts herself(Viravain)