Ixion.

by Soll

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Ixion2006-08-21 20:38:19
You compare the entire mage class to me. You can't really do that. I already compared other titan mages to myself. Those facts speak for themselves. Anyone can transfix, point is moot. Also you fail to mention that psionic mages do damage and some afflictions -through- shield.
Sylphas2006-08-21 20:48:40
Kaervas was totally insane, same as you. 90% of Lusternia will die to you in one to two combos.

Anyway, I'm not going to bother with this. I am totally unable to fight any half-decent warrior, so I'm not in a position to argue this without getting bitter and ranting.
Unknown2006-08-21 20:48:44
Did you have to sell your soul to some evil demon, or is there any other way that makes you focus body in 1 second?

Or alternatively, is it just trans Discipline?
Ixion2006-08-21 20:49:48
I sold my left earlobe to Fain, for which he provided me with 0.5s focusing.

Trans is roughly 1 second, yes.
Unknown2006-08-21 20:54:09
QUOTE(Ixion @ Aug 21 2006, 10:49 PM) 322567

Trans is roughly 1 second, yes.


Great. Just one more skill which I NEEDED to have, but couldn't have afforded... when I had my character, that is.

Well, the last bit of my delusions of being able to accomplish anything in PvP without buying OOC credits just curled up in a corner and died.

Only a digression.
Geb2006-08-21 21:09:19
QUOTE(Xavius @ Aug 21 2006, 09:04 PM) 322543

I have to say, any warrior who is not disassociating himself with Ixion completely and holding him up as a fluke with weapons that need to be removed/brought in line with stat caps is an idiot. The situation is wrong, numerically unavoidable in some cases, and, as stated explicitly by the admin, going to be fixed. If you knew what was good for you, you'd get out of the way and avoid nerfing your whole archetype.


I think many warriors do recognize it and have spoken out already. Sometimes it just gets tiring discussing the same problem over and over again. If the admin are going to fix it, then I feel there is no more need for me to even argue about it.
Thul2006-08-21 21:12:22
Ixion is quite literally at the pinnacle of combat efficiency. Prenerf weapons, Human Titan, probably Drawdown atop every weapon rune there is... About the only way he could get more deadly would be to make the trip to Demigod for those extra stats, but all reports suggest that it's more trouble than it's worth. He's undeniably fearsome, and probably even overpowered.

For the love of god, the rest of us can't so much as beat someone's autosipper.

Between generally pitiful damage per hit, stance, parry, armor, reflections, timeslip, all fifteen million methods of hindering, and, oh yes, missing for no other reason whatsoever, the best a warrior can do without artifact runes is to annoy someone. Negligible ability to keep someone in place, no passive anything, dependance on deep wounds to get off any sort of affliction when everyone else can point and get off whatever they want...

It's frustrating, because I'd imagine a lot of people come to the game, like me, thinking that Warriors won't be as involved or as ridiculously cash-dependant as the magic-user archetypes.
silimaur2006-08-21 21:13:53
remove drawdown/nightkiss (whatever gives those +10 stats to weapons) they make peopel even more overpowered
Shorlen2006-08-21 21:16:35
I fought Ixion not too long ago, in an active Druidic demesne. I did not have a Tosha or Life blessing, so my health was only 3.4k (at level 78). I have 70/65 splendor robes, which give +20% resistance to lightning (splendor proofs are 20% instead of 10%). Every combo, I had to run, or the next combo would have killed me. I know I could have just deepsleeped him five times, and then had a large enough window to try my offense, but I couldn't even get in five deepsleeps. I'd enter the room, and either dissolve shield/protection, get hit, and have to run (or writhe from pinleg and run), or I'd get hit and have to run before I could deepsleep.

At one point, I was trying treelife/treebane in a water room with an embedded undoing mote to strip levitation/waterwalk, and even then, it just wasn't enough to delay him long enough to do a thing. Protection scrolls take all the hindering out of our demesne, and dissolving one takes time, and in that time, a non-warrior will die to Ixion tongue.gif

And then when we drew, he said running as much as I did was cowardly sad.gif

I need to try again. And find someone to help me make some bits of my curing better. Meh.
Unknown2006-08-21 21:17:43
QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 21 2006, 11:12 PM) 322577

WHINES


Warriors are balanced against other archetypes, if they have good weapons (not insanely good, but good). If you deal pitiful damage, then, for the love of God, USE WOUNDING WEAPONS. Precision is the key for warrior combat, without artifact runes damage warriors are as combat-useful as wiccans with Healing.

And since even I could pinleg a cloth-user (non-warrior) in 2 lunges, with 18 str and decently-precise rapiers, I am sure everyone else can too.

Only thing that warriors need fixing is their unnaturaly high miss rate. Other things are not the archetype's fault, but rather the player's.
silimaur2006-08-21 21:18:50
ixion is simply overpowered through no fault of his own...its unfair on the rest of us but so far the admin have shown no interest in fixing it and i doubt they ever will so we all have to live with it
Thul2006-08-21 21:18:54
QUOTE(Cuber @ Aug 21 2006, 04:17 PM) 322581

BITCHING


Are you still here?
Unknown2006-08-21 21:20:31
QUOTE(silimaur @ Aug 21 2006, 11:13 PM) 322579

remove drawdown/nightkiss (whatever gives those +10 stats to weapons) they make peopel even more overpowered


Bad idea. If you want to nerf Ixion, then nerf Ixion and not the whole archetype. Not that he'd be weak without weaponaura.

QUOTE(Thul @ Aug 21 2006, 11:18 PM) 322583

Are you still here?


It's not called bitching, it's good advice. And no, I am not here. Thanks to people like you.

EDIT: Just noticed your signature. And it all makes sense now - sorry, Tae'dae are the worst race ever. Playing one gives you no right to bitch about your offensive capability.
silimaur2006-08-21 21:21:40
no the point is that the skill (i think) is overpowered as a whole, it gives any commune warrior +30 stats on there weapons. It gives them access to 200 damage swords (which can actually be useful for damage) when everyone else has to live with 190 if they can forge.

i simply find it to be an unfair edge that they have maybe its just me
Diamondais2006-08-21 21:24:00
By the way, youre wanting to get rid of the Aura that comes with the skill, not the skill itself. Dont need to bring the Wiccans into this.
Unknown2006-08-21 21:24:53
QUOTE(silimaur @ Aug 21 2006, 11:21 PM) 322585

no the point is that the skill (i think) is overpowered as a whole, it gives any commune warrior +30 stats on there weapons. It gives them access to 200 damage swords (which can actually be useful for damage) when everyone else has to live with 190 if they can forge.

i simply find it to be an unfair edge that they have maybe its just me


You are aware that this is a trans skill? Paladins get Trueheal (hello, trueheal combos!), Ur'Guard get Lich (hello, +str!). Ebon/Serenguard get +10 to each weapon stat, if they choose Moon or Night. Looks fair to me, especially since +10 is given by weapon runes (not artied) as well, which not everyone can get.
silimaur2006-08-21 21:25:05
i just want to remove the bonus it gives to weapons thats correct, im not srue what else it does so i wont bother thinking about that

edit: oh and give me access to swords with stats around 65/235/270 and ill stop complaining about this skill
Nico2006-08-21 21:25:11
I must say, after playing 3 different archetype classes(at least 3-4 trans skills each), warriors have by far the highest learning curve for combat efficiency.
Ixion2006-08-21 21:30:15
Weaponaura is fine. Against Soll, I ran the numbers. +10 sword damage adds 54 true damage. Two hits per round, so that is 108 extra damage for a trans skill.

Trueheal is much better.
Lich's nighttime +2 str (+1 true str) adds more damage than that, so for damage it is better as well.

Edit: Cuber ninja'd the heck outta me.
Unknown2006-08-21 21:30:28
QUOTE(silimaur @ Aug 21 2006, 11:25 PM) 322590

i just want to remove the bonus it gives to weapons thats correct, im not srue what else it does so i wont bother thinking about that

edit: oh and give me access to swords with stats around 65/235/270 and ill stop complaining about this skill


Looks good on paper, but difference between 225 and 235 precision, while existant, is NOT enough to make a normal archetype an overpowered one.

Why is it that when we see an extremely competent combatant, we find it so hard to acknowledge that this is because his artifacts, level or, God forbid, PERSONAL skill? Why is it that people HAVE to find one of his or her skill and try to call it overpowered?