its not just the damage its the wounds and speed to

On a non-armoured person, +10 precision increased my wounding by about 40 per hit. At 18 str, so pretty standard. And the speed difference is negligible.

LOOK AT THE DAMAGE IXION CAN DO TO PEOPLE HE IS KILLING PEOPLE IN TWO COMBOS. and i dont deny ixion has skill but a but anyone can just swing his weapons twice for a kill that is not skill he does not need to have any skill, if he had none it wouldnt make a difference to teh number of kills he got


No personal attacks please. -Morgfyre

Don't you love how when one warrior puts the + to stats of drawdown to ultra good use, everyone wants it removed? Moon/night don't have much in the way of usefulness in 1 on 1 combat so stop trying to get em nerfed, I mean god damn.

EDIT: And by usefulness I mean for WARRIOR usefulness, not wiccan.

what do you mean to good use? it works the same for any warrior +10 to each stat, there is no way to use it differently or better its just the same for everyone.

1. He kills people in 2 combos, but it is not because of Drawdown.

2. I might be blind or stupid, but I am certainly a person who:
A. Does not resort to personal insults when losing a discussion
B. Someone who is reporting you now

3. Apply correct punctuation and capitalisation. Your posts are next to impossible to read.

People like getting the Commune stuff taken away.

well for one id like to point out i was not losing a discussion you just made an invalid point and i was pointing it out, sorry if i caused offence i was just annoyed at your response

edit: oh and if you consider that to be an insult that is your own insecurity as i asked you whether you are either blind or stupid, i did not brand you either (but maybe this is my wierd way of thinking)

Prove my point invalid then.

Yes, but someone who already has most of the things he can do to boost his damage starts using it, and everyone cries nerf.

I guess that is the opinion of some. I've only played a mage and a warrior, but I have not found learning to fight as a warrior any harder than what it was to learn to fight as a mage. I actually think that being a mage helped me to learn how to fight and defend as a warrior a lot easier, since I have intimate experience of what it is like being a mage outside of his demesne on the other end of a sword like Geb's.

to be fair geb you would own as any archtype..

Silimaur - your point was:
Drawdown is overpowered.

My point is:
Drawdown gives +40 (without armour/defenses!) wounds and +50 damage (Ixion's tests) on each weapon. Trueheal and Lich are far more powerful.
That's hardly overpowered.

And I love how can you write that what you said was not meant an insult, and add another one seconds after.

actually my point is taht ixion in his current state is overopwered

my tangent about drawdown was that it is unfair that only commune warriors can reach such high stats because of it making it unfair

I'd like to point out that trans Resilience and Combat are pretty much necessary to fight a good warrior, whereas fighting against a mage or guardian doesn't require an extra two trans skills.

im not trans resilience or combat and i do well against most warriors i fight including most high end ones, i only started having a problem with ixion after he went seren (that being why im trying to work out what makes him so much better as a serenguard)

Resilience is only really needed for damage warriors, which are becoming a minority due to how good wounding warriors are now.

Your tangent is invalid then. Because, as I pointed out twice already, these "high stats" are a vastly inferior bonus when compared to city warriors' trans skill abilities.

Sylphas - no, it's not. Resilience helps, but it's just an edge when it gets to damage (don't know if it works on wounding, to my knowledge nothing but armor does). As for poisons - they hit rarely even without resilience. As for combat, you just need Shieldparry. Combat increases stance effectiveness, but stances are not as important as parrying and still don't dodge 100% of the time when transed. ShieldRiposte is good but not a requirement.
If anything, I'd say that Discipline when fighting Psions is far more important.

EDIT: Bathroom break. Don't flood this thread when I'm gone.

I have neither, nor trans discipline. Before titan serenguard, and when I had just fieldplate, Ixion and I could duke it out for ages on end, usually ending in just a lot of herbs and potions wasted.

Nowadays, with 114 cutting protection fullplate, it lasts maybe a minute before I have to run and heal wounds, unless I have a truefavour.

And Cuber, yes, drawdown is not overpowered itself. It's a great ability I wish I had. But, you must concede that drawdown + forging runes + titan stats + human evolution + weapon runes + prenerfs is a pretty friggin sick combination. The drawdown is just the icing to the cake, but a lot of people will focus on it as is a org specific ability; I personally think his recent elevation of lethality is more a result of titan stats.

Now I want titan.

cuber so you consider great runes to have no effect what so ever on combat? and im talking about the +15 stat ones that cost around 1k credits? as they woould then only offer around +60 damage and +50 wounds so i think the calculations must have gone wrong somewhere