I meant wiccans, guardians, druids, and mages. Yeah, probably just 67%. The other 33% might take a round or two more.

EDIT: Wait, just got squirrel-boy's point. Ok. 67% of the first and second tier combatants.

Using something Tuek said, let's look at some examples of class-important stats:













And no reason to the rest...

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Warriors tend to get get high str/con/dex options (except Shadowlord Faelings) whereas NO SINGLE RACIAL OPTION provides high int/con/dex.

Anyways, what are level 98 human warrior stats like (should be essentially the end of evolution, so cap warrior stats).

Level 95 is the end of evolution.

this is silly, Nars... Guardians are supposed to afflict people to death and insta-kill them... they are supposed to f up someone before they die... Mages are supposed to do high damage before they die... Warriors are supposed to outlast both Mages and Guardians and still do high damage.

You want a tanking yet low damage class? How about classical monk? They outlast most of the non-armour wearing classes in RPGs and do not as much as damage but they are wearing rags and using fist for f's sake.

As for stats... tell me, have you seen those dougy nerd boys? Clasical nerd with a calculator and glasses... can they beat up football players? It's the same thing... Mages are not tough because they hit hard with their minds..

gah

That would be why I said 98... same stats at 95, though 99 is not. 98's the top end of that "set's" range.

Ixion, your argument doesn't really hold up. Even against a master mage or guardian who knows how to deal with warriors you'll still, by far, have the advantage. That mage or guardian would have to come fully prepared, with a demesne and all defs, and an intricate and well-thought out stratagy on how to keep you locked down and get an instaskill.

You, on the other hand, just need to 'strike @target legs', or whatever, as your system goes through his hindering, until you get an opening and annihilate him.

Which sort of makes sense (not in Lusternia, but in some settings). However, mechanically, it means that we have to whore hindering and hope you don't get a good swing or two in or we die. You don't see wizards often running around whoring out web spells while standing next to a hulking warrior do you? No, because usually they can stand back and fry the bitch before he gets close. We can't do that.

And really, I can run faster than anyone who isn't wearing arti sandals. I stomp you hard enough to break your ribs, and bellow loud enough to stun a whole room. Stag users are not meek and nerdy.

I know that size is reverse so doesn't work for adding up numbers... however, Size is much more important in combat than dex is.

It would be more telling you added just int and con and strength and con; we don't use dex as much as warriors, they use it for both offense and defense.

Size is no longer as impacting as it once was given the changes to tumble/writhing. I would go so far to argue that large size is even more beneficial now because the stun resistance is quite nice whereas anyone can use summer/tipheret to avoid writhing at a large size -and- tumble speed isn't exactly instant at small size now (which in the scenario describe is moot because Ixion was hitting with pin leg on the first combo).

I roll in one second. It may as well be instant.

Lowest you can get is 1.5s, actually.

If you say so, I've never actually timed it precisely. It's close enough. I regain balance just as fast. It's very nice. I can roll almost as fast as I can swim.

That's not entirely reprensentative of how the races and classes are. Charisma is an important stat for Mages and Druids, yet why did you discount them from your list? You may say that it isn't as important as Dexterity is to a Warrior but when you take Influence into consideration the opposite argument is in play. How come there isn't a single racial option with high Str/Con/Charisma (with the exception of the laughable Tae'dae)! So far I've only seen the damage Ixion does from Soll's point of view. Who else has actual numbers they'd like to put up? Preferably, I'd like to see a race without the two glaring level 2 susceptibilities to Fire and Electrical.

I would like to point out something.
Weapon cap to attach runes is still 463 not metter if its pre or post nerf weapon.
So lets say that Ixion have broadsword with base stats: 205/113/145 and that is equal to 463 total points.
So:
BASE: 205/113/145
Forging runes: 215/123/155
MoonAura: 225/133/165
Now +15 Great rune: 240/148/180

Add to that lightning and +15% wounding rune and you willbe just like Ixion.

But you will ask why i did those calculations?

Becose, lets use broadsword that is able to forge now:
BASE: 180/138/145
With forging runes: 190/148/155
MoonAura: 200/158/165
+15 Runes: 215/173/180

So yes you cant get so much damage on sword, wut with same runes your sword will be doing much more wounds as +15% wounds will be more with 173 prec sword then with 148 precision sword.

And please notice that i dont know Ixions swords base stats. But if i had 205 base damage sword and it still somewhere then i used this as example.

How come you aren't counting ego for warriors in this case? Warriors can influence too.

How come you aren't demanding that int for warriors be added to this list? Int for surge is important, too.

Why are you just demanding one side get more numbers added instead of saying it's not representative on BOTH sides?

All of your calculations do not change the fact that his damage stat is far superior to what others may possess now. If a person wanted to be a damage warrior like him, they would have to search for some pre-nerfs like his (which would be like questing for the Lusternia equivalent of two Excaliburs). So yes the total stats that a person can have before he can place a rune is the same as it always been, but the cap on any particular stat has been lessened. Most people know that it is extremes in a particular stat that helps the most, not the aggregate of the combined stats. So a sword with 155/154/154 base stats is far less desired than a sword with 205/115/143 base stats.



Evidently you missed Silimaur's post about the damage he was taking from him. Silimaur is a Taurian with level 2 cutting and electrical resistances. He was taking in excess of 2k per attack. Granted he does not have trans resilience. I've also fought Ixion as a Faeling with 5k surged health. At that time he did 2200 a combo to me in damage. I had no weaknesses, I am definitely transcendent resilience, and I have 111 cutting protection on my fullplate.

That's my point. All the stats mean something to one class or another. Narsrim is just simply giving his opinion on what the three stats he thinks are the most important to them, to which I disgress.

I fought Ixion just last night, the damage is undoubtedly high no question but I don't think the problem lies in pre-nerf weapons but as some people have pointed out are the buffs and Elemental runes.

I also fought Terenas yesterday with post-nerf, un-Greatruned, un-forging runed, tempered wounding swords, and with only 1 venom type. We timed out, but he was still in hurtsville.