One:

Soulrezzee has been burned to death by a mystical Avatar of Avechna.
SoulRezzer has sacrificed herself for the resurrection of Soulrezzee.

Two

GustPerson raises his arms and a gust of wind slams into you.
You are suddenly moved towards the Righteous Principality of New Celest, but its
magical defences hurl you back.
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Two major violations in one day. Both came from Celest, but that doesn't really matter.

The above actions are ILLEGAL. Let me repeat, not allowed. Do not do them, ever.

I removed the named so they wouldn't get persecuted or flamed, and I have been trying to contact the person in case one because I dislike issueing when it can be handled on a lower level.

Anyways, everyone should know this already, but be advised.

The first death was an accident. It's happened to me, that the Avatar has just mysteriously attacked the wrong target. In this case, it's generally more acceptable.

As for the second, it's only a violation if it goes through. It's more likely that not that this 'mysterious' GustPerson wasn't really thinking about the fact it would move you into Celest, and more about getting you the hell out of the room since you hurt so much.

One has never been forbidden, it was supposed to have been made mechanically impossible, or that was the impression that I was under, but it wasn't prevented which leads me to believe that the killed wasn't the avatar's intended target. The second, if you issued, you'd probably lose, as, if I remember correctly, you were in Celest shortly before that happened. While technically not allowed, you still were raiding, which is sort of a gray area. Either way, mechanics stopped it from happening, so... whats the big deal?

In case 2 it does not matter that he was in Celest earlier.... He could have danced and sang all over Celest... as soon as he leaves Celest it is nuetral area. Thus making it ILLEGAL..... and there is NO grey area around that.

Also if S****** wanted to gust him just out of the room he would have done it another direction. He was performing an ILLEGAL action and should acknowledge it as thus. If we did it to you all I am sure this would be seen differently. When Amaru kept trying to beckon Torak into enemy territory when Mag raided Delport a long time ago, it was ILLEGAL, but Torak let it slide... still it was ILLEGAL.... Please acknowledge this is not a grey area or anything that could be even seen as a mistake... cast gust (target) (dir).... they have to put a direction in... thus making it very clear where they wanted the target to go.

Mechanics stop gusting into enemy territory anyways so it's not that big of a deal.

He may not even have been thinking about which direction was Celest. Or he might have. Since it was prevented, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

It doesn't matter the point he tried to is enough.


And Squirrel boy ... you're right... I would cut him some slack too, but when people defend him and say he wasnt trying to do it when he did it more than one time... that is insanity. I just wish Celest and he would acknowledge that he made a mistake and he won't try something illegal like that again... But instead we get "Oh this is a grey area, he was in Celest raiding so it should be ok to gust him back into guards when he has left the city." Come on....

Wrong. Lisaera explicitly discussed this with me when she was an admin. It is not allowed. Period.

Wrong. I was Never in celest at any time there.

The big deal is illegal actions are illegal actions. Period.

Just be aware that the 'rules' aren't as clear as you might think. Even though it was posted definitively that shifting anyone in or out of enemy territory was illegal, latter responses from the admin have allowed certain cases and disallowed others.

This is something that NEEDS to be codified by Estarra into a helpfile that lists all actions that are not permitted. Only then will violations of these 'rules' not be excused by ignorance or confusion.

As an example:

- Beckoning someone out of enemy territory was illegal. Except that it is now allowed.

- Forcing someone into enemy territory on the planes was illegal. Except I -think- it is now allowed.

If Lisaera discussed it with you, she must not have made it terribly public, because I don't remember the requirement that people not sacrifice for those avengered as being on the honor system, I'm fairly confident that it is impossible (or is supposed to be impossible) to sacrifice yourself for them.

As for my comment on the second, I mistook your squinting in the logs as being in Celest, my bad.

Number 2 is not illegal and not issueable unless they actually succeed, which shouldn't be mechanically possible. Seeing as it didn't go through, there was no foul play.

Yes yes, Tuek. However, being as the person tried several times in a row to gust me into enemy terr, it was intentional and even if it didn't "succeed" it shouldn't have been done in the first place.

Regarding Acrune saying "I'm fairly confident that it is impossible (or is supposed to be impossible) to sacrifice yourself for them." Did you not even read my first post? It happened, it's illegal, end of story unless magically the divine stopped caring about it or reversed their stance regarding such without telling anyone.

Coming from someone who spammed me with like 150 commands in a row while I was graced for the sole fact of trying to spam me, I really don't see how you can complain about anyone attempting to gust you when it isn't possible yet as attacking someone graced isn't possible, ya know?

By that logic...
Attempting to rob a bank should be legal if it doesn't succeed?
What about attempted murder?

If a bank teller pressed a button to lower a bulletproof shield, does that make it legal to shoot at it?

Thats is allowed, unfortunately. A direct issue cleared that up for me. If you want to attack someone, let's not forget how you used grace to get through the pillar and into Raziela's room, at which time all of celest ported in to you.

It is illegal (read: impossible) to beckon through blocking. Is it illegal when people try? No.

Perhaps it is you who should read. The person who was killed by the avatar wasn't necisarily the one the avatar was called against.

I'll assume you mean it was a bug, if that were the case. A bug doesn't give a mortal any right to use another bug, in this instance something the admins have said to be illegal, to soul rezz an avenger target. I suppose put more simply, two wrongs don't make a right.

You assume wrong.

How about we let the admins worry about admins problems and pipe down?