Ooh. Ok then.

While I disagree with the sentiment of your post (and I'm not European by a few centuries), I don't really want to debate pointlessly with my opinions and how they differ from your stated opinions when its likely neither will get very far. I was intrigued by this statistic, however, and I find it hard to believe this is true.

From a United Nations report dated 1st of September,


100 civilians killed per day, with 14,000 wounded per month... was it honestly like that under Saddam? I don't dispute for a minute he was a cruel, corrupt dictator, but I wasn't sure he was that reckless.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm asking for more information, since I couldn't find a report that spoke about it.

Edit: Oh, and I know talking about the war in Iraq is completely off-topic when we were supposed to be talking about terrorism, but Xavius brought it up!

So yeah...

69% of philipinos do not believe 9/11 was done by Arabs
65% of Egyptians do not believe 9/11 was done by Arabs
50% of Nigerians do not believe 9/11 was done by Arabs

By that standard... Only 30% of americans think 9/11 was a government plot.

Not doing too bad!

How pathetic that an actual event that happened less than 5 years ago, is now a theological debate. You either believe or you don't.

Also, I can not believe that anyone who has read the commission report still believes that seperating Al Qaeda, from Hamas, from Hezbulah, from Chenya rebels, from any other terrorist group really accomplishes anything.

Someone who worked for the PLO in 93 got promoted to work for Al Qaeda in 2000.

And FYI... Saddam husein did support terrorism. Just not Al Qaeda.

First of all. No, no, no. I'm not insulting thousands of people. I feel really bad for anyone that die in ways that they shouldn't. Either my dog getting ran over by some idiot in a f'ing truck or my grandmother that tripped, fell, had a concusion on her head and died hours after when someone could've been there if I wasn't with my girlfriend. I feel sorry for all that people because I also know what's like to lose a loved one by the hands of a criminal.

I belive that many things could've happened because I know what the extension of USA's knowledge, power and control over several things. Hell, I know the extension of Mexico's power and I tell you, it's really big what Mexico can do, and really scarry, I try to think what can the USA can do, when they have more money, more technology and more means to achive whatever.

How can I believe those theories? 4 years and 10 months ago I couldn't believe that the War on Terror was something that the goverment would use to attack their personal enemies. A guy was claiming that the goverment will probably use the oportunity to strike on Iraq or Cuba. I passed it out as bull.

Now, I belive that the goverment can and probably will kill some people of their own in order to achieve things they want to. And it's not only me.. it's actually less than a half of the people around the world outside of the USA. And I'm actually having trouble finding mexicans that still believe that the US didn't know about the attacks or that they didn't use the attacks for their own means. And no, I don't hang around with people who read conspirasies.

I say that there are aliens because I've been in places where people see UFOs on a constant basis. I've seen my share of UFOs. If know a place with some volcanic activity, you can see it too.

As for the holocaust, that's just wrong. The holocaust was an event where a lot of people died to the Nazis.

Area 51 is a strange posibility, along with the landing of the moon.

As for the implications, I've seen them. I've thought a lot about them and I have my own theories, but it would sound too much as 1984

Here's what you should do.. take all your theories.. and throw them out. There, problem solved.

And if you think there's even a small chance that the moon landing was faked.. you especially need help.

what would that solve? it would solve nothing. Besides, like I said, there are a lot of people who believe this too and they don't need conspiracy sites. Some people question the "official" story because some things don't seem so plausible.

And there are pictures I've seen. I believe the humans had landed in the moon, just find it strange that only the US did it.

Like what? What isn't plausible about the scenario of a terrorist group highjacking planes and crashing them into the Twin Towers of their own volition, and the destruction that ensued? Please enlighten me.

OMG the flag is waving! There is no air on the moooooon How is it waaaving.. Hooow!

.. that?

See, Corinthian just thinks that arabs and highjackers arn't smart enough to do that.

arabs are a subspicies of the humans damnit




I don't find possible that 1, no one in the air knew what was happening. What about the airports in NY. Didn't they see on their blinky screens that Two flights were not only not responding, but flying too low and out of their routes? 2, after it was thought to be an accident(the first impact), didn't they just kept watching everyone in NY airspace and reporting it? 3, The US knows when something happens. They know how many guns go out, ho much drugs go in. They don't know how many people are trying to attack them?

Wow...

..just..wow.

Mexicans are able to do "scary" things.. but Arabs, who we have to thank for quite a bit of advanced mathematics and engineering, aren't intelligent enough to figure out how to steal planes and drive them into buildings. Hell, as a kid I was smart enough to know if you took one lego creation and crashed it into another, that they'd both break.

Also:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

aaaand:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/de...?page=1&c=y



The second link I posted covers your little 'suspicion' on page 2 or 3.

You know your first link is a bad argument.

the theory is always that the governement doesn't kill the people exposing the theory so that it looks like its too laughable to believe.

The second half of the first link is nice though.... except that he doesn't actually have any seceret message in the dollar, just a silly marker thingy...

The first link was just for the funny comic

Erm, that's the point. It really did happen, but there are idiots out there who honestly deny it. It's pathetic, and ridiculous, and it only happens because there are people out there who can't cope with the fact that something was just caused by a stupid accident or some miguided, prejudiced people who seek only to maim, murder and scare to try make people see things their way. They need some kind of person to blame it on, rather than just admitting that a bad buy did a bad thing, they feel a need to say Z0O0MG THE G0VRNM3NT IS PL0ttING!!!111ELEVEN!! and can't just accept the reality.

Ethen, I am sorry for your uncle's death, as I am to all who lost loved ones in the World Trade Center.

So take the situation where they noticed it? What are they going to do about it? There's no way to contact the planes if they won't responds. I know, let's scramble the fighter jets and shoot down any plane that stops responding.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware that they will scramble jets to ty and deal with things, but even then, they aren't likely going to be able to find out any more information than they already know. It's quite easy to be in a situation where it's extremely difficult if not impossible to know what's going on, never mind being able to do anything about it.

While I feel sympathy for those who lost loved ones due to the event, I hate that Muslims were persecuted so harshly after it. Although nothing happened to me personally, I have several friends who had their property severly damaged (among other things).

Yesterday was a sad day, we had a moment of silence and sadly some jackoffs in the hallways were yelling their heads off.

I didn't say that they couldn't do it. They can, what I don't understand is how they let them do it, and I'm not talking about actions to stop the planes mid-air, but prior days to that. And if you think about it, the goverment has done some terrible things. Just to begin with, Cars and gasoline and cheaper technologies. That's just screwed up right there. And it's not the first time. Remember the railroads? Tamony hall? All of the corruption? It's just the same thing. I believe it could happen and I'm 60% sure that they either let the whole thing happened or just saw it as an oportunity to do things they have wanted to do. The same with Iraq. The goverment took the chance to eliminate someone they didn't like for economical reasons and labeled as part of the war on terror. Mark my words, if this is going to be ignored and pardoned, it shouldn't take long to get Venezuelan president Chavez out of power a la Salvador Allende. Every goverment in the world is able to do scary things.

And even if it was a surprise attack, and nothing could've been done to prevent it, it was really damned convinient that it did happened. Not only it saved Bush's presidency but also took the eyes away from economy. That right there, you cannot pass as a conspiracy theory. That did happened. The goverment used the terrorists attacks as a strategy to give the current management more time on the chair. And it worked fascinatingly good.

Regardless of the pointless controversy, you should really either read the 9/11 commision report, or watch The Path to 9/11 if you want to understand how the goverment totally fouled up.