I find it cheaper to just have like 10 healing scrolls than to constantly recharge one.

Scrolls can't be charged by cubes?

They can.

Why? You're paying for the scroll 10 times then instead of just 1 time. They can be recharged as often as you want

I think Narsrim just runs out of charges during more intensive battles, so it's better for him to have some (10?) spares in case he runs out than to be depleted of one source of healing when the scroll disappears.

Nice to see that mindblast is completely useless once again. I hope we get something to make up for it =/

So what you're saying is if you sit there and mindblast and do nothing else then you won't ever kill someone who is a top fighter? For shame, this is so outrageous...

In your own log you did 1010/1010/1010 damage to yourself, and psionics have the best psionic resistance out there. I've seen 1200 across the board from elfen's who have a lvl 1 resistance, so even higher is possible (kinda feel bad for viscanti Psions). Healing scrolls can be used by -anyone- for -any- purpose so it's not some sort of anti-psionic only weapon.

Sorry, still not feeling the outrage... secondary skills should never have gotten instakills in the first place, and mindblast is still the best pure-damage attack out there as well.

You compare it to any other attacks and they all become laughable, other then Ixion's beefy weapons. What do I do? Debate you and maybe get lucky, then moonburst five times and lash twice? I've then done about the same types/amounts of damage you do every 6 seconds on one channel.

...secondary skills have always had Insta-kills.

Zenji, but you must understand - the psionic mages deserved to be overpowered, so no one, not even the admins (do they think they own the place or what?) have ANY rights to introduce changes that might make their abilities slightly less powerful. But at least it wasn't a direct nerf - if it happened, we'd have to UPRISE, PSIONIC BRETHREN! *mind rays*

It's not 'useless'. You just have to have more than half a brain to use it now.

To respond to what was said before, I have a level 1 racial psychic resistance.

Soll:

3186h, 4590m, 4356e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exk-w

A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
2178h, 3731m, 3463e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exk-
A sudden headache makes you rub your temples for relief.
2178h, 3731m, 3463e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exkp-
A sudden headache makes you rub your temples for relief.
2178h, 3731m, 3463e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exkp-
You yell, "I like cheese!"
2178h, 3731m, 3463e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exkp-

2484h, 3731m, 3463e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exkp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
1476h, 2872m, 2570e, 10p, 14830en, 21850w exkp-

2531h, 2876m, 2570e, 10p, 14830en, 21799w ek-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
1523h, 2017m, 1677e, 10p, 14830en, 21799w ek-
A sudden headache makes you rub your temples for relief.
1523h, 2017m, 1677e, 10p, 14830en, 21799w ekp-

2153h, 2480m, 2112e, 10p, 14830en, 21742w xk-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
1145h, 1621m, 1219e, 10p, 14830en, 21742w xk-
You have recovered equilibrium.
A sudden headache makes you rub your temples for relief.
1145h, 1621m, 1219e, 10p, 14830en, 21742w exk-

Narsrim?

2933h, 4107m, 4356e, 10p, 14823en, 13150w xkp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
You are paralysed and cannot do that.
focus body
1898h, 3224m, 3439e, 10p, 14823en, 13150w xkp-

2849h, 4275m, 4356e, 10p, 14302en, 21133w xkp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
You aren't such a complete idiot anymore.
Stupidity unafflict caught
1814h, 3167m, 3439e, 10p, 14302en, 21058w xkp-

3186h, 4461m, 4356e, 2p, 14646en, 20805w exkp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
You are paralysed and cannot do that.
focus body
2151h, 3578m, 3439e, 2p, 14646en, 20805w exkp-

2615h, 4050m, 4229e, 10p, 14818en, 20528w exkp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
A sudden headache makes you rub your temples for relief.
1815h, 3203m, 3350e, 10p, 14818en, 20528w exkp-

Dysolis:

3186h, 4334m, 4193e, 6p, 14630en, 20475w ekp-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.
2386h, 3487m, 3314e, 6p, 14640en, 20481w ekp-

3186h, 4133m, 3314e, 6p, 14650en, 20418w exk-
A blinding pain explodes behind your eyes, which begin to tear up with blood.

There is no exit in that direction.
2386h, 3286m, 2435e, 6p, 14650en, 20418w exk-


My sips are: 578/788/753
My spark is: 319/459/482
I'm not sure about healing scrolls.

Also, remember, just because you believe that stupidity + recklessness doesn't impede healing doesn't make it true.

If you are incapable of healing stupidity -or- if your autosipper can't work around recklessness, then you have system issues. That's a poor argument against mindblast when it is now possible to outpace it instantly with sip/berry/scroll, which you seemed to completely ignore in a thread that is explicitly about it.

So... where does this leave direct damage skills? (Other than OP warriors)

They are still possible with effective use of one's skills. The mage (or any other archetype) just has to think beyond hit one macro for the win.

Just to explain what has always been my concern with mindblast... I wanted to compare cudgel/cursing someone to mindblasting them. I don't really think you can solely mindblast someone to death, nor could you ever. It is more about the balance comparing this skill to other comparable ones.

I use a test timeframe of 12 seconds as that allows for 2 mindblasts at 6 seconds each, and 3 cudgels at around 4 seconds each. I also gave what I consider to be greatly rounded up values for these skills, and always the closer to the maximum possible on variable hits (like 200 bleeding while it can go as low as 80).

I have 17 int, omnitrans, a rune of arcane force, and 56/44 robes.


3 cudgels - no other active skills can be used

~ 1900 health damage
~ 1350 mana damage (with only one chervil eaten)

Total: 3250 damage

3 nature curses - no other active skills can be used

~ 2500 health damage

Total: 2500 damage


With mindblasts, I'm going to assume they hit for 1000/900/900, which I think is a very low estimate, considering Narsrim hits me for 1300/1200/? with a level 1 resistance.

2 mindblasts - also allows 3 uses of another psionic channel, 1 use of a third

~ 2000 health damage
~ 1800 mana damage
~ 1800 ego damage

Total: 5600 damage + other active skills

Now, given that a druid demesne cannot really hinder healing unless there is an embedded rune or mote, while the mage demesnes can stun and there are afflictions that can be delivered via other psionic channels to interfere with it... I really find mindblast should not be doing the damage across three stats that it does.

Actually, 6 seconds allows for two Mindblast attacks. 12 seconds would allow for three. Remember that all IRE damage abilities are front-loaded, so you can get an attack at 0 then possibly attack again at the recovery time (if not hindered).

Mindblast does look a bit easier to handle with scrolls, but it's just odd how you can use psionics with so many hinderances that would block normal spells/attacks plus telepathy afflictions are very nice since you can hit with two, they are all masked, and cost no power unlike berserkfetish(chance to shrug venom) and supersling -- both of which are stopped by shielding unlike all of psionics. Hell, psionics even goes through prismatic barrier. Attacks that cost no power working through trueheal/serpent which costs 10 kinda sucks

I agree with every word Athana just said.

Good point, although I'm not sure it really changes the end result... but if we add attacks at 0 seconds we get (hoping that my arithmetic holds up)

4 cudgels (12 seconds) - no other active skills

~ 2520 health damage
~ 1800 mana damage

Total: 4320 damage

4 nature curses (12 seconds) - no other active skills

3200 health damage

Total: 3200 damage

12 seconds (3 mindblast) - 4 uses of another psionic channel, 2 use of a third

3000 health damage
2700 mana damage
2700 ego damage

Total: 8400 damage + other active skills


If it was purely the damage, doing more than comparable skills might be acceptable. But a lot of damage PLUS the potential for significant masked afflicting or hindering at the same time, in a tertiary skillset is quite potent.

If anything, the fact that psionics combines multiple attacks at once should mean that any individual attack in general is going to be less than what is possible with single attacks that cannot be layered. This is not true.

All of what you have written is true. The envoys did suggest the use of entanglements and such to stop psionics, but the admin decided to go in another direction to hinder the abilities. The idea that was put forth by Estarra sounds intriguing to me. Though I am worried that if it is not implemented correctly, it could allow people with decently fast affliction abilities to totally shutdown a Psion single-handedly. So I think they are just taking their time to make sure they implement the changes in a manner that is balanced for all parties involved.