Still not true.

A skill that makes you NEIGH invulnerable (with the exception of one instakill that takes 9 seconds to go through) and cures all your afflictions and heals you and works in everything except sleep, stun and...hmm....fleshstoned.

Nope Now you're just getting more wrong

Oh noes, you can be hit with deepsleep, drowse, void, health sap, and mana channel by a dreamweaver! Except... trueheal fully rests you, so it takes the weaver 15 power to make you exhausted, and you 10 power to undo it.

Oh! You can get hit by Spring, thought it can't strip prismatic barrier! Wow, so overpowered

Celestines are definiately one of the best classes though, but I'm not really complaining. I just wish our upgrades to worthless skills would go through, rather than being denied every time, whereas Celestines get an upgrade to a powerful skill to make it even more powerful

I personally despise the vapours + lust tarot + empress tarot combo, but apart from that, I wouldn't say the class is unbalancedly overpowered, though certainly a cut above many others, especially Nihilists.

I will say though that when you have ZERO triggers for dealing with Celestines, they're (of course) absurd. I spent the majority of the war going, "Oh! So THAT's what Judgement looks like!" or "Ah, so then I was supposed to run, wasn't I? Oh well! Inquisition sure is pretty!" or "Whee! There goes my soul! Guess the tingly arm messages meant something after all!"

How about you just say it then, so I can go to sleep. -.-

Doubleposts suck.


To war, my Uruk-Hai!

An ENTIRE SKILLSET goes through trueheal.

That being, of course, psionics.

And if deepsleep does hit through psionics, I bet WAKE drops prismatic barrier, so they have to stay asleep or die...

Only if I go to sleep in the middle of the fight to dreamweave at them Waking deepsleep doesn't go through it. Also, as I said, I'd have to spend FIFTEEN power to put the truehealer to sleep, and they'd have to spend TEN to fully rest themself with another trueheal.

I fail to see the argument. A group of 3+ people was able to Inquisition you - but you survived. 3 people (needing no more) can crucify, trample, and sacrifice anyone killing them within a matter of 1-2 seconds. How is Inquisition more powerful in groups...?

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Sylphas, Runes has largely not been upgraded because no one has suggested changes to upgrade it. I suggest speaking with Athana if it troubles you so (although for Druids, runes is quite nice - ask Xavius).

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Dreamweaving can easily strip Prismatic barrier from Trueheal. Hallucinations, which can be given, causes you to dive - which will in turn drop barrier as it is a forced action.

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As for Celestines, I've been a Blacktalon (on a test server, with all three guild skilsl trans), Moondancer, Aquamancer, and Celestine. Of the four, I felt most powerful as a Moondancer - by far.



Don't tell me you are complaining about Trueheal, when you Mr. Hartstone, can kill yourself (and vitae/conglutinate) and do the following:

Restore equilibrium and balance
Restore full health, mana, ego
Cure all afflictions
Cure all wounds
Cure hunger
Cure sleep

To 30 people at one time with no power cost.

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Not to mention you can use anatine (clumsy poison) and Sacrifice yourself, curing all afflictions/wounds/hunger/sleep for some health (which if you move a few rooms away, means nothing). How much power does this cost you? Try ZERO... so I don't really see how you can ever bring up Trueheal.

That was fixed, I heard.

Haunt gives Hallucinations? You're going to run off and go to sleep to dreamweave at them in the middle of combat? If they find your body while you're doing that, you're SCREWED.

It is quite likely I am mistaken here, but wasn't sacrifice changed so that the one who crucifies must be the one to sacrifice?


For someone who is so quick to jump on others who speak out of ignorance, you certainly have no qualms doing so yourself. Numerous suggestions for upgrades have been suggested and envoyed, yet none have been accepted so far. Please check with an informed envoy before making assumptions.


While you can conglutinate if performed on a plane (which would be somewhat silly given that losing a fighter who will take quite a long time to work their way back up would not seem to really compensate for a brief restoration of your allies that will only last as long as the opposing group chooses to target them again) or in home territory, Sacrifice bypasses vitae.

I also think there is little credibility left in your personal assessments of your current class, given that even as a Moondancer (which you now say is the most powerful by far), you consistently argued otherwise. Not that you are not free to continue to debate whatever point of view you wish, but perhaps leave the 'I know because I've personally rated them' justifications in favour of actual fact-based arguments, which I know you excel at.


Of course. As soon as we had the skill I reported it.

Wrong. Hallucinations in Dreamweaving does not give Hallucinations. It gives a targetted illusion. It's also been bugged since Dreamweaving came out A YEAR AGO and hasn't been fixed (the beginnings of the illusions are garbled) no matter how many times Elryn tries to get it fixed. He's bugged it, put it in envoy reports, used up a slot in the mini report for it, etc. The bugs are STILL THERE.

Also, even if Hallucinations in Dreamweaving was a mote that did give the Hallucinations affliction, to afflict with the mote they would have to be asleep (which costs 15 power and is stopped by another 10 power trueheal), or their aura would have to be punctured. Puncturing an aura can't be done through trueheal, I've tested it. Trueheal cures punctured auras.


Bugged and fixed about 5 minutes after it was discovered. Thank you, try again.

Also, sacrifice for allies is about as useful as fury/maelstorm, though defenive instead of offensive. For 10p, we can take ourselves AND OUR DEMESNE out of the battle and potentially help someone else who might have been close to death. It doesn't garuntee saving them, and it does garuntee that I die. It also heals anyone who has lusted me, which happens quite often in a battle against, well, anyone. Sorry, if I'm choosing between another hit or two of my demesne, or a skill that potentially heals my enemies, has a chance of helping an ally, and is 100% certain to kill me, I'll take the demesne any day. I'm 90% sure it ignored vitae when Elryn tested it, but yes, you do conglut from it. So, it would be nice in situations where you are in a large group getting owned by a demesne and statues, but it costs 5x the experience on prime


Haunt Capable 0% DB: Gives confusion, paranoia or dementia

Do people hide under prismatic barrier after truehealing in the middle of combat? Not usually. The only cases I ever this is happening is when a person has no escape and has a bunch of people on them - in which case it would be feasible for a single dreamweaver to move away and go in for the kill.

Also... spook would work too. You can fear them and they'll attempt to move, disrupting the barrier.

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Oh, and speaking of Sacrifice, your sacrifice skill that kills you burns through Vitae as well, right? So you only get conglut and only if it happens off plane... right?

I'm sorry, but when was the last time you fought a major group in a place on Prime where you didn't autoconglutinate (ie. home territory)?.... not to mention, I believe transmigrate still works.

Yes, they do. I have seen it happen numerous times - trueheal, sit there for a minute invincible, while other people attack elsewhere. Dreamweavers also can't climb trees, and people tend to do it when I sap them. Still, as I said, NO dreamweaving skill strips Trueheal barrier. Unless there's one I haven't thought of that ignores the barrier?

Oh, good. I really wanted to say, "You're just totally wrong," but I wasn't sure about Haunt. And does Spook goes through Wolf and Rubeus?

I fight 1v6 or 2v6 every day on Celestia at about 4am my time, I being in the group of 1 or 2. Or at least, I have for the past.... three days?

Transmigration is overpowered - I have said this from the beginning. However, 1/20th of the Wilde has it. I think... Hmm. Yini? And... Athana. I can't think of anyone else who transmigrates in Serenwilde. How many people benefit from Sacrifice again?

No. At least, I see nothing posted on announce that has suggested such.





Smack.



Healing 30 people at the cost of 1 person can be very worthwhile in many situations.



I never said Moondancers were weak. I said Moonburst is retardedly weak. I argued about other abilities as well, but I do not recall specifically saying Moondancers were sub par. Do you have any quotes of me saying so or are you just confused?