There are other ways to help defend your Cities/Communes/villages/Spirits/Avatars/Supernals/Demon Lords without actually joining the fray. If youre in a Commune take up Herbs and Alchemy. Youre indirectly helping to defend whatever it is being attacked, or actually any trade can and will be eventually useful to a fighter. 'Less Im forgetting about something.. In a city, Enchanters for the magic people, herbs for the warriors. Or, as I mentioned before, sell your trade.

Indirectly is still helping as we learned earlier from a jumping.

I believe Guido didn't mention anything about sucking at combat (he'd have to kick every of his alts out then - no offense Guido, even you admit you're not a good fighter), only about total refusal to fight even though your guild has ideals of combat/conflict written all over it.

But still, the form in which he written it was rather dumb.

Okay, so this thread degenerated into rabid pro-PKers arguing with rabid anti-PKers. No golden mean to please anyone. I bet Socrates would cry now if he was alive.

I believe in PKing, but PKing against able opponents (unless the noob deserved it - was being a jerk or is caught in enemy territory EDIT: Hell, even the able opponent has to do something to deserve being attacked /EDIT). Short version, fair play. I dislike griefing, and this thread was about griefing. Solution to remove griefing?

PRIMEBOND. Really - it's a less stretched-out, more sensible type of the original idea. Plus, it was already offered before by the admins themselves, only the forum liked karma better (but still there were some haters who put giant red "DIE KARMA DIE" letters in their signatures - that was retarded, I'm almost glad most of them don't play Lusty anymore).

Can someone please explain what PRIMEBOND is?

1. Then you're not trying. In MUSHclient, at least, a retarded monkey could set up a trigger, and a regular monkey could set up a variable. I'm not trying to be elitist, I seriously mean that in most clients someone who can't set up a trigger is likely reading at a 3rd grade level and oughtn't be playing a MUD. Again, not exaagerating - I'm a HIDEOUS coder and yet can make simple triggers without a problem. That is, ones that match single lines of exact output.

2. I'm not suggesting that everyone be a good fighter, or even a passable one. I'm just asking that every once in awhile they try, for the sake of trying.

I don't like it. Immunity to any consequences on prime is like a no-PK flag for everyone on Prime.

Exactly.

Here we go.

Primebond: costs 2 power, an Inept-ranked skill in Planar (comes right next to Survey). You use it, you get a primebonded defense.

It lets you kill NPCs, do quests, etc - no consequences. If you get attacked by a player, you don't get hit - like if shielded or graced, BUT the primebonded defense is triggered to fade away from you after 30-60 seconds. Thus, giving plenty of chances to escape. Cuber's idea: make TELEPORT NEXUS work even on monos, to prevent someone from stonewalling you in with a flamed monolith and then hitting the primebond, waiting for it to fade away.

You can't attack others when primebonded. I guess you'd be able to reject it like grace. Also, if you enter enemied territory or other plane than Prime, the primebond either disappears or (less power-heavy version) doesn't work - you can get attacked for no consequences.

This would work instead of the karma system, but Avenger's justice still stays.



Elaborate how this thing makes you immune to consequences.

Then I'm a retarded third-grade monkey who doesn't belong in this game. Yes, I can make a trigger that recognizes a line of input. Can I sync it with variables, have it check for specific balances and cure in the correct order? No. I can make it change colors or echo the words of the cure I'm looking for. A lot of good it does me though right?

You're not trying to be elitist, but you sure sound like one. I can't program a system. Deal with it.

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If you have prime-bond active, you trigger any aggressive action to TELEPORT NEXUS (or TUMBLE NORTH/TELEPORT NEXUS, if necessary). They can't stop you in any way, since primebond prevents all afflictions/damage. You can't be jumped, you can't be attacked, as long as it is active, you have complete immunity on Prime.

I dislike making all PK on prime into agreed-upon duels. Avenger interference is bad enough already, this would make it completely unrealistic and pointless. That is why I prefer to address the issue that people don't like being in an organization that wants to protect certain interests.

Me and you both..the best I can do is an Alias.

Not saying you need to do all that crap. All I meant was that you could make enough triggers to keep yourself from remaining webbed and paralyzed, and that sort of thing - the two most brutal afflictions in the game for someone with no idea what they're doing, really, as it's total lockdown until cured. Could also make some rough ones to cure on diagnose. Toss in a few curing aliases and you're better off than with nothing.

Also, Ethelon's Free System, anyone? It's a crap system, but far superior to nothing at all, especially for someone who can't code. Saved my ass at least a hundred times, and allowed me to contribute during battles.

This wouldn't eliminate PK on prime - there'd still be raids, you could still attack those who are on enemy territory (like Magnagorans killing kelpies) - this wasn't an original idea, but it's obvious it could be added, and it was in my post. The only non-griefing examples where this thing would prevent from attacking is like when someone's leading farmers from Estelbar to Acknor, and you can't stop him because he's primebonded.

I believe that as long as you're not in an enemied territory, you should feel safe. This skill allows that.

And the final point - if a good fighter (in a system-wise meaning) gets jumped, s/he can easily run away if they want, because the afflictions shouldn't hinder them that much. Snort spores, touch cubix or map, or sprint away - it's no problem for battle veterans, only for non-combatants, and jumping non-combatants is what I consider griefing. With primebonding, even non-combatants have a chance to escape - no more griefing.

Would primebonding be ignored in cases in which someone is attacking someone on their 'bullies' list? Actually, I can't see avenger being needed if primebonding were added. What would the point be? Not like you could keep killing someone.

That's a lot to set up, and I don't the patience to try to make a bunch of triggers and aliases again. And Ethelon's system is for what client? I doubt I could put it into Nexus, which is what I use.

And if anyone claims you can't play the game on Nexus I will punch you.

Personally, I'm quite able to get City/guild favors for things other than combat. Bookbinding, regular support, novice teaching, those sort of things.

Otherwise- even if I can't fight with the rest of them, I still have my trusty healing aliases and a will to learn. As long as I keep at it, I'm finding I can survive longer and longer..not that I've yet to kill someone, of course.

Edit: Holy , I just posted the same thing three times. >_<

First question: no.

And you know what? That's a golly good idea, keeping primebond and removing avenger altogether. It's also more logical - Avechna for some reason doesn't protect ordinary people (read: mobs), only players. And it's never explained why - not in the lore, not in the game. Passing through the Portal of Fates? I don't think so, not a mention of Avechna there, either.

But Primebond COULD be explained - either as a semi-upgraded version of Pentagram/Circle, or the result of research on Vernal power to surround people with shields that made them impossible to harm, as Whatsherface (Ladantine's daughter) did during the Taint Wars.

It would indeed hurt. It would take a huge amount of time to properly code this in, and even more time to modify the existing Avechna/Karma/Issue systems to accommodate this. Time that could be better spent on other projects. Time that would be wasted if they were only going to "try" it.

This isn't even my own opinion. I know for a fact that the administration is hostile to the idea of a PK-Flag based system.

Eh, that's not quite what I meant. I was thinking more of someone who tried the game, found they didn't like it because of the conflict. I would never expect them to keep playing a game they didn't like, all the while trying to change it. If I don't like Monopoly, I'm not going to start a game of it and then bitch the whole time that it's not Scrabble.

" it would indeed hurt. It would take a huge amount of time to properly code this in, and even more time to modify the existing Avechna/Karma/Issue systems to accommodate this. Time that could be better spent on other projects. Time that would be wasted if they were only going to "try" it."-quote.

Are you an administrator in Lusternia? no. So would you please let -them- decide what will and what won't be hard to code.

There are enough people on this thread alone that agree and would like to see said idea or something similiar implemented. You don't agree, that's your opinion, but saying that it's hard to -code- serves no means to make your claim any more valid.

I don't know if this topic is still about the original discussion, but I'll stick to that. Why would declaring yourself to be a pacifist make you immune to harm? If you decide that you are pacifist, it means you can't harm anyone/thing, but it does not mean that you cannot be harmed. What is it about declaring yourself as an official pacifist that empowers you to have permanent grace?

Personally, I feel that it is a so-so suggestion, even as a mostly-passive influencer who only defends. Primarily because it means I am unable to defend. But also because it makes no sense to me that a pacifist cannot be killed.