sure just would have to make merians and gorgogs enemyable places. Otherwise your right, people could just bash peacefully to their hearts content--the things that other people swear to protect, like the presidio and shallach for magnagora, tosha and merians for celest, etc etc, aslarans, krokani. All of it would have to be enemyable and thus drop the protection

What if the timer for Primebond was about 15-30 seconds so that you have less time to react, so that if you're dense you're going to die, but if your quick you can at least prepare for combat?

And remember, this is only working on the prime plane- nowhere else. This skill is obviously oriented to pacifists/novices, and obviously should cancel once something faction/oriented occured.

I'll skip my typically over-worded post and just say no, it wouldn't have to be that way.

Edit - that's not a bad idea Bratos

I'd miss the Knowledge blessing ;_;

I think Verithrax very unintentionally brought up points that aren't being considered by the proponents here.

"Enemy territory" is not the only significant territory in the game. To force characters to only care about hard-coded enemy territory is absolving players of responsibility, lowering the fluid nature of our politics, and overall reducing immersion.

A lot can happen in one minute. Let's take a hypothetical example here:

The world becomes divided into two camps--protected and aggressive players. The protected ones run around with primebond, the aggressive ones do not. Karma has been removed, as suggested.

Protected player A, GM of a Celestian guild, is bashing ur'things in Shallach. He is caught and attacked by an aggressor. In twenty seconds, three champions arrive via teleport, defend the GM, and gank the Magnagoran.

Aggressive players B, C, E, and F are all Magnagoran fighters in training. Aggressive player N, an Aquamancer of some repute, set up a demesne trap and kills them dead. Karma has been removed, so there's no opportunity cost. Furthermore, protected player D, a Magnagoran politician who has a fair bit of combat skill but stays bonded for other reasons, is unable to help them because he has to wait a minute for the primebond to fade.

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End result? PK flag, less protection for the youth who raid or defend against raids, who are the most common "innocent" victims who are "jumped" and "griefed."

Bad idea.

The question is flawed.

Yes, this would curb PK. It would utterly obliterate non-consensual PK on Prime, in fact.

The real question is, do we want that? I sure don't. Pity to have all those guild skills and no point in using them.

Xavius's post has something which wasn't present in other of the critics' posts - a point, and examples. Primebond has its flaws, I now realise that - but I still find it superior to Karma.

Well, let's see how the poll will turn out.

This is a horrible, horrible idea. No, no, and thrice, no.

And jumping is -not- griefing. Cuber, you expect to take part in aggressons against our citizens and territories and receive personal retaliation for your actions? That's retarded.

If you attack us and kill someone, you better believe that someone bigger and scarier than the person you killed is going to come after you. Just because you're no longer engaged in the aggressive action does not give you "moral" protection. Give me a break.

If you don't want to get jumped pointlessly, don't raid. Of course there will be some who will attack you for merely being a member of an enemy organization, but the majority of fighters will not, I believe. Heck, at one point I even tried to help a serenwilder who got stuck in a celestine statue.

My point: you're free to do as you like in this game. If you want to fight, then fight. If you don't, then don't fight. There are many people who do exactly that, and they're given a sense of peaceful accomodation. Ialie comes to mind. But, you cannot choose willy nilly whenever the you feel like it. And that ability to choose is exactly what Primebond is, which is abominable.

what about raising the cost to 5 power and having it only last an hour? That would be a whole lot of power if you wanted to keep it up constantly.

Also, make it so that the prime bond negates all Planar skills, and prevents the person from being a teleport or summon target. But in the process, it would also close your rift, so even traders and such couldn't keep it up constantly if they wanted to function.

Note that I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with the skill, but just brainstorming.

I'm not talking about myself. I can handle IC death and praying, even if it pisses me off to no end. But I am a combatant, and some people are not.

Well, to the topic - the majority of fighters in Celest DOES attack people for being members of enemy organisations. Not even enemied members. About 75% at least. You're the positive exception, but there's only one Nico and a lot of Amarus, Malicias, Forrens, Shamarahs, Dysolises, Nientes, Armands and Kuramas.

1. Only Stag users can follow Sprint and Gallop.
2. In one minute, I could HOBBLE back to guards and statues from most places, let alone if I can run off with Stagform's celerity bonus.
3. How many flamed monos do you feel like wasting to hold someone down?

I've had people who can target me perfectly fine, and still can't kill me within in a minute, when I have no system. Get tumble and a diminish enchant, and there is absolutely no reason you should still be in danger after a minute.

Name person and place, please? I can't think of a single time when I've done this. You sound like you're just randomly bitter against Celest and are making up accusations.

Maybe not Shamarahs then. That's 70% of Celest's fighters being griefers, not 75%. Happy?

Malicia is the only Celestian I've ever known to jump a Glom that, through unbiased eyes, was completely unjustified, and lots of people have jumped Gloms in the past!

You don't really expect them to jump Glommies when Glomdoring is their only source of potions, do you?

Players of Serenwilde and Magnagora get jumped plenty of times, by many different Celestians. Enemied or not. Recent example - Kiarlea, jumped by Malicia at Avechna's Peak. Marlucia and Felandi, jumped by Niente and Narsrim at the aetherplex... heh, I forgot about Narsrim.

Don't forget that Amaru once jumped me on the mountains because a pile of Magnagorans killed him in Faethorn, and then they all went back to Magnagora... and he had to get back at SOMEONE! (These were his words, btw).

Was back in the earlier days of Glom when I was just a lowly GA, and Lyco lectured me for not telling him Amaru was attacking me so he could rescue.

This sounds like a terrible idea. If someone raids your territory extensively or insults or offends or otherwise hurts people and beings your character cares about, they should damn well NOT feel safe while hunting gorgogs. They've taken provocative actions, which should have consequences. I'd be much more comfortable with the idea of PK flags that can be taken on and off only after long periods of time (like, an IC year or so), than one that can be switched off at whim within a minute.

Also, jumping people's griefing? Even if they really deserve it for having done bad things? Even if they're avid combatants? The place for mutual-consent PK is the arena. The possibility of getting jumped adds tension and excitement, and it's sad to think that people want to neuter that.

I'm talking about long-term things here.

Narsrim used to be very undisciplined about jumping whoever, but he's gotten much better about it. He even shouts things to the effect of "Don't cry when I come and kill you all later," just to make sure they know.

A 1 hour prime bond would be a nice companion to Autumn.

Since we're on the subject of people jumping people completely unjustified-lets not forget to mention Ethelon who jumps random novices or little tiny people on water just because. so lets be fair here guys